chrisqueenz
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Just as title states, would like to know if anyone has had sucess with this combo?
Thanks
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Queen Angel in a SPS tank? Any experience?
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jjk_reef00
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I have an 11" one in my 300 gallon for about 6 months. He hasn't touched my sps yet. I feed very heavy. He has some soft corals he is currently working on. Ate zoas, polyups, a kenya tree. For some reason he likes to eat things lower in the tank. Anything higher in the tank he hasn't touched. I have a full patch of 50+ polyups high in my tank and they haven't been touched.
Can be very aggressive when he's not happy.
Can be very aggressive when he's not happy.
chrisqueenz
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The more I research the more I think I am going to stay away.lol. I dont really have much LPS but worried about the SPS in the tank and even the aggresive issues I might face
Luiz Rocha
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Just to stress what everyone else said, this fish gets very large and will eat everything. I kept one for a long time, and for the most part it left hard corals alone but went for the softies. Granted, I had very few hard corals when I kept it.
melanotaenia
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Before giving up, I would read through this thread:
http://reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1738995
The owner of the tank has kept his Queen Angel for some time in his tank with a packed SPS display. The tank seems to be doing very well. So, there are success stories with Queen Angels and SPS colonies
http://reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1738995
The owner of the tank has kept his Queen Angel for some time in his tank with a packed SPS display. The tank seems to be doing very well. So, there are success stories with Queen Angels and SPS colonies
melanotaenia
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If no one tried to push the envelope and try new things in this hobby, then we would all be in the dark ages of marine fish keeping. I for one embrace hobbyists like Chingchai and Mafia who are willing to take chances on fish and then see a good end result.
jmaneyapanda
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What if they see a bad result, even after repeated "warnings" of such? I do agree, that someone has to be the first to try. However, I hope that such efforts are done in prpeparation and research and effort, and not just money and status.
gofor100
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Good to see that you've changed your mind-set since my thread looking for information on people's experiences on angelfish in reef aquariums (see "Debate of the Decade") :dance:
My thread had to be put on hold because of moving the tank and getting it ready for my next angel.
As far as this thread goes, I continue to believe that your success will depend on a number of factors, which include the obvious ones, like tank size, but will also include other factors like feeding schedules, diet, amount of LR for grazing, the size/age of the fish when placed into captivity, etc.
I agree with melanotaenia in that we need people to experiment, otherwise, this hobby would never truly advance/progress.
melanotaenia
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The fact that they have come on this board and are heeding the advice from others I think proves that a proactive "research" focus approach is being taken in this situation.
Plus, a Queen Angel does not really scream money and status like some of the other fish people pay thousands for on these and other reef boards, so I don't think in this case the Queen Angel is being considered as a "status" symbol.
People will be successful with certain fish stocking choices, and others will not. We learn the behaviors of fishes through these trial and errors. While some fish may be statistically proven to be a menace to a reef tank, that does not mean that the null hypothesis always hold true, evident by some reefers who choose to take the more adventurous and non-conventional approach to stocking and keeping their tanks. Just as others on this thread have pointed out, in the past people would not dare put large angels, or *gasp* triggers into reef tanks. Now we are seeing large adult angels and Crosshatch pairs swimming in reef tanks without a care in the world when it comes to devouring one's precious SPS or LPS corals.
There are so many factors at play in these situations, as pointed out by gofor100 including feeding regimen, swimming space, tankmates, coral selection, and the natural behavior of the particular fish you have. Is a smaller Queen going to be more docile and less likely to eat corals compared to an adult caught counterpart? Maybe, maybe not. But we take these experiments one because, well, we want to see the end result to we can progress this hobby and our understanding of the behaviors of fish from the wild in our little glass boxes.
I embrace those that choose to be forward thinking in the hobby, while acknowledging that, yes, there are people who will not agree with one's decisions, but that does not mean their choices and ideas are automatically incorrect. One must realize that with this hobby, like most things in this world, there is always exceptions to every rule.
So...you can go by statistics, and numbers, or you could be the more adventurous hobbyist and think outside the box
I prefer the latter
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xhatches have been kept for awhile now, its also been known ( at least as long as ive been alive) that those in its genus are plankton feeders and not coral eaters.
queens have been and will always be lps destroyers, they will always be mean-these things are species specific and that will never change.
queens have been and will always be lps destroyers, they will always be mean-these things are species specific and that will never change.
gofor100
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It's true that some angels may be more likely to eat/pick at certain types of corals (i.e., LPS, SPS, Softies, Zoas, etc.), but remember the OP was asking whether the Queen can be kept specifically in an SPS tank... so although your statement might be valid (that the Queen destroys LPS), its kind of beyond the scope of the thread.
Just thought I'd get us back on point :beer:
jmaneyapanda
Commencing hatred
The fact that they have come on this board and are heeding the advice from others I think proves that a proactive "research" focus approach is being taken in this situation.
Plus, a Queen Angel does not really scream money and status like some of the other fish people pay thousands for on these and other reef boards, so I don't think in this case the Queen Angel is being considered as a "status" symbol.
People will be successful with certain fish stocking choices, and others will not. We learn the behaviors of fishes through these trial and errors. While some fish may be statistically proven to be a menace to a reef tank, that does not mean that the null hypothesis always hold true, evident by some reefers who choose to take the more adventurous and non-conventional approach to stocking and keeping their tanks. Just as others on this thread have pointed out, in the past people would not dare put large angels, or *gasp* triggers into reef tanks. Now we are seeing large adult angels and Crosshatch pairs swimming in reef tanks without a care in the world when it comes to devouring one's precious SPS or LPS corals.
There are so many factors at play in these situations, as pointed out by gofor100 including feeding regimen, swimming space, tankmates, coral selection, and the natural behavior of the particular fish you have. Is a smaller Queen going to be more docile and less likely to eat corals compared to an adult caught counterpart? Maybe, maybe not. But we take these experiments one because, well, we want to see the end result to we can progress this hobby and our understanding of the behaviors of fish from the wild in our little glass boxes.
I embrace those that choose to be forward thinking in the hobby, while acknowledging that, yes, there are people who will not agree with one's decisions, but that does not mean their choices and ideas are automatically incorrect. One must realize that with this hobby, like most things in this world, there is always exceptions to every rule.
So...you can go by statistics, and numbers, or you could be the more adventurous hobbyist and think outside the box
I prefer the latter
Again, what of those who come, and DO NOT heed advice. But instead, simply announce and pictorially document what they are doing? I agree, some do actually legitimately seek advice. While other seem to constantly ignore majority, if not absolute advice.
I would disagree about queen angels not being status symbols in large reef tanks. How many do you see? They are rare there, by history. If they are indeed common, please show me some other threads. Furthermore, I was discussion the principle, not this example. It seems, as my impression, that many people "try" things, in order to puff their ego and status. Just my impression.
And, again, I do not disagree that calculated risks are important and necessary for growth and enlightenment. However, I STRONGLY feel there needs to be some better basis behind it than "I am hoping for the best", or "We'll give it a try", or "my dealer says it will work". None of those bear any more significance or importance than just saying "I wanted to do it, so I did". We are dealing with live animals here, and DO have the responsibility to show due process and care in their husbandry. Otherwise, we are the criminals that the aquarium hobby detractors paint us out to be.
You are completely correct, just because some disagree doesn't make them incorrect. However, if this is indeed, forward thinking, as you state it to be, we should all be able to discuss and learn from it, to decipher WHY it works now (as opposed to common practice), WHAT is done differently, and HOW we can all be successful. Not just "I hope it works". That isnt forward thinking. It is negligent behavior.
i dont know what country you are from but i am from florida, a big portion of this fishes range, and i can say with upmost certainty that the species is common.
this isnt a counterpoint to you jmaney, i actually agree with everything you said, im posting to inform you of their availability.
gofor, my previous post is on target.
"The more I research the more I think I am going to stay away.lol. I dont really have much LPS but worried about the SPS in the tank and even the aggresive issues I might face"
i brought up personal experience with what my problems with this species were. problems are relitive so i tried listing them all-the fact this fish gets near 2' long might not be a problem to the OP. the same could be said for aggression and coral eating habbits (some people like mean fish, some dont have corals). i throw all the problems i had on the table so the OP could sift through and decide wich ones were relavent to them.
this isnt a counterpoint to you jmaney, i actually agree with everything you said, im posting to inform you of their availability.
gofor, my previous post is on target.
"The more I research the more I think I am going to stay away.lol. I dont really have much LPS but worried about the SPS in the tank and even the aggresive issues I might face"
i brought up personal experience with what my problems with this species were. problems are relitive so i tried listing them all-the fact this fish gets near 2' long might not be a problem to the OP. the same could be said for aggression and coral eating habbits (some people like mean fish, some dont have corals). i throw all the problems i had on the table so the OP could sift through and decide wich ones were relavent to them.
melanotaenia
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This statement I completely disagree with; I hardly believe that many people on here are trying to keep fish to puff up their egos, but rather learn about harder to keep fish, hone their husbandry skills, and expose other hobbyists to the success (and non-success) stories of certain species that are brought into the aquarium trade.
Science is all about experimentation. We experiment with animals all the time; this is nothing new. The idea that we may kill one or two fish (or more) in the process of learning about the fish and its care is just a natural part of the scientific learning process, and to say that doing this is a negative thing in our hobby is not entirely accurate, if in fact it is done in the name of science and research.
Sure, you are going to lose fish along the way; however, at some point, the losses decrease due to increased knowledge and information gained from those fish that died in the name of research. And they represent the first steps into a more successful keeping of that same fish later on down the line.
If after researching the husbandry of a particular fish, and successful keeping in the aquarium cannot be attained (such as in the case of many obligate coral feeding butterflies), then we, as the marine community, have documentation of certain fish that just do not belong in the aquarium trade, because for whatever reason, they cannot adapt to the artificial ecosystem we put them into.
As a side note, I am not really sure where you are referring to that Queen Angels are such a rare sighting. Here in the states, there are plenty of them, I see them at LFS all time. Additionally, I have many videos and pictures of tanks from over in Japan that keep Queen Angels as well. I think the beauty of the fish far outweighs the want of the hobbyist to own it because of it's "rarity" in certain fish markets.
But hey, I am a researcher, so I see animal experimentation, even in the aquarium trade, as a natural course of learning about the animal and how to care for it. Losing one or two fish in the name of learning how to keep hundreds later on down the line seems like a good thing for the research community.
