questions for ZeoVoit(sp) users.

druluv,

Have you tried it? Do you know if it works? It may not work as well for you with all the softie corals you have in your tank but it will without a doubt color the brown sps you have as well as the alage in your tank. Oh and for a limited time I will sell you the bottom of the barrel lighting setup guaranteed to be broke upon receipt. :)

Ok I am done.................................:)
 
Dude loosen in up, and don't take yourself so serious. I have been fooled before, you saw my lighting. But I was able to fix it.
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=6491641#post6491641 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by jsbzmcdaniel
druluv,

Have you tried it? Do you know if it works? It may not work as well for you with all the softie corals you have in your tank but it will without a doubt color the brown sps you have as well as the alage in your tank. Oh and for a limited time I will sell you the bottom of the barrel lighting setup guaranteed to be broke upon receipt. :)

Ok I am done.................................:)
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Here are some pics of my tank:
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lol....Just playin! I just hate when people bash things unless they have used it and know that it doesnt work. Yes there are many ways to keep a healthy reef tank and not one way is the right way. If you look at the past few TOM's you will see that some of them use Zeovit while others do not. I was very skeptical before I started it but after seeing first hand and now in my own tank.
 
The question is not if it works or not. The question that needs to be ask: is it the magic rocks or the husbandry?

Did they find a way to repackage fresh water Ammonia Removers for saltwater application?
 
I have always been very particular when it came to husbandry even before zeovit. I have never achieved the colors or lack of algae that I have now even with the weekly water changes etc......

Again its not for everyone
 
I'm glad to see that zeovit threads are now lasting and not being closed down right away. It seems that the trend is that the hobby is slowly (very slowly) starting to accept this form of reefkeeping.

I am still skeptical myself, and have read a lot about the system. I've seen plenty of pictures to show me that it DOES work. But I have also seen pictures of other people's tanks that don't run this system and their corals look just as good as the corals in a Zeovit tank. For example: Steve Weast, JBNY, and MiddletonMark just to name a few. I'm not sure exactly how much the zeovit rocks really have to do with the system. There are other similar systems out there to zeovit that don't use the rocks. Prodibio is one of them. I forget the tank owner's name but there was a tank posted in the Large tanks forum not too long ago by someone using Prodibio. He is using bacteria cultures from Prodibio, his DSB and liverock are the substrates for the bacteria instead of needing the zeolith rocks. Then he is using other Zeo supplements like start, spur2, and AAHC. His results are the same as I see coming from a full blown Zeo system but he doesn't have the intial reactor cost or monthly stone replacement costs to deal with.

This leads me to believe that the secret is in the bacteria cultures and making sure you are giving your corals enough trace elements, ammino acids, and food. I would like to try some form of this system one day but so far the monthly costs keep turning my head the other way. With smaller systems the monthly costs aren't too bad but they increase substantially as your system size increases.

Sorry, I'm not a Zeovit user but that is just my thoughts on the system. Hope it helped.
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=6492547#post6492547 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by druluv
Has anyone use this: Magnesium granulate
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I have never used it but it seems to me that it is just repackaged and overpriced dolomite. Dolomite is cheap but the problem is finding some.
 
It is all about nutrient levels. The lower the nutrient levels, the better your colors will be in your SPS. The Zeovit system is just one of MANY methods that help you achieve a low nutrient system. I have done the BB thing and tried the Zeovit method. I am now back to the basics - Shallow Sand Bed, Good Skimming, Good Water Flow and Weekly water changes. Seems to work just fine for me. I am now going to take my Zeovit reactor and use it for a Phosphate Reactor (running Seachem SeaGel). LOL... Bottom line - do what works for you.

BTW - One main reason I no longer run the Zeovit method is because it is EXPENSIVE. I have 250 gallons of total water volume. If I used all of the additives, etc I estimated it would run me $100 to $150 per month!
 
common sense is not that common.

Excellent point wade.
Noone can market back to basic techniques. What ever your school of thought, the princples that wade point out is the common denominator.
 
Good husbandry practices are essential regardless of the method IMO.
The reason we are able to keep some of the corals thought to be impossible to maintain not so many years ago is the advancement made in the hobby through trial and error. Some may be content to sit back and wait for someone else to find these things out but I enjoy being a part of it. That's why I've enjoyed the hobby for so many years and not experienced boredom or burnout.

SteveU
 
Do some research before using this system. There are a lot of threads in the archives and once you weed through the threads, go with what you feel is the best decision.

It is very easy to figure out what elements are absorbed, released, and in between. From before(well starting 4 days after adding ;) ) until some time frame later, you can see what is in the zeovit rocks and what is released or added. There are links to study papers done. I just wish they had released the true starting analysis for the weights of each element.

Then you can do some simple calculations on the weight of each substance for instance aluminum and and iron, then compare to natural sea water levels and then determine how many hundreds of times the natural concentration will be in the tank water. Then decide if that is acceptable or non acceptable to you. There are many nice tanks using the zeovit system as well as many nice tanks using just good husbandry.

IMO all tanks should be doing the husbandry methods they describe either way. i.e. regular water changes, aggressive skimming, carbon, etc.
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=6492402#post6492402 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Travis
There are other similar systems out there to zeovit that don't use the rocks. Prodibio is one of them. I forget the tank owner's name but there was a tank posted in the Large tanks forum not too long ago by someone using Prodibio. He is using bacteria cultures from Prodibio, his DSB and liverock are the substrates for the bacteria instead of needing the zeolith rocks. Then he is using other Zeo supplements like start, spur2, and AAHC. His results are the same as I see coming from a full blown Zeo system but he doesn't have the intial reactor cost or monthly stone replacement costs to deal with.

This leads me to believe that the secret is in the bacteria cultures and making sure you are giving your corals enough trace elements, ammino acids, and food.
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Iwan is his name - infact his tank inspired me to go with Prodibio and a couple of the Zeo additives CV, AAHC and PIF.

Great results in my tank so far - I'm very pleased, and it works out at an affordable monthly cost.

This builds on the standard good husbandry practices - for me=Tunze heavy skimming, 20%pm water change, 24/7 carbon, MSB cheteo refug, and RowaF and BB
 
Yes I'm using the Prodibio products since a while.
I'm very happy with the results. The products are very easy to handle.


Here some pictures:

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I often read that the colors have been produced artificially.
This isn't the case.
The colors and the intensity of the current pictures correspond to the reality.
I have needed a little time to find the optimal attitudes for a genuine color rendition.


Iwan
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=6491907#post6491907 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by druluv
The question is not if it works or not. The question that needs to be ask: is it the magic rocks or the husbandry?

Did they find a way to repackage fresh water Ammonia Removers for saltwater application?
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1) The "magic" part of the Zeolites, IMO are the Biofilms in which they harbour.

2)There are many thousands of Zeolites, the ones used for FW are most likely different.
 
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