Rare lionfish or what?

Well Lisa -- it's that guy and a tiger strip angler both arriving Wednesday. Time to get the tank ready. It is plumbed into the main system so now I just need some sand in there and some egg crate. Oh, and I have to put the mollies somewhere!
 
I'm excited for you! Please post pictures.

Greg and Renee, sorry not to be around. Real life seems to be getting in the way a lot. :)
I hope to be on more now. Would love to catch up!

BTW, my mombassa lion (still need to take a pic and post to get confirmation) is a delight. Mental1, you will love it. Eats well, out all the time, very healthy. I have it with a radiata that I got a a while ago from DD as a tiny baby. Both are around 5" now. Both are eating anything and everything.
 
Thanks Lisa - I am excited about this guy. I am hoping I will have him weaned quickly. The rest of the lions are so easy now that it's actually quite funny. My fu's are out every morning begging with the fuzzy. I don't even use the stick anymore. He will be a beautiful addition -- the best will be a group shot when he's finally in that tank.
 
Hey -- I just talked to Blue Zoo and he is already weaned! So he will be in the tank with the angler for a short period of time.

I did a whole bunch of stuff yesterday including preparing their tank. Mixing more water today, plumbing is done -- will be all online by tomorrow night.

Cool beans!
 
I don't know how big your angler is relative to the lion, but be very careful keeping them together. Anglers don't hesitate to swallow lionfish, even those close to their own size. And a lion would eat an angler in a minute if it thought it could get it into its mouth. IME the striped anglers are especially voracious! Keeping them together can be done, but be aware of the risk.
 
It's only to allow him to acclimate after the trip from Cali. I have got a piece of eggcrate splitting the tank in half and I will secure it today with magnets. Am also putting a top on the tank so no jumping over the top of the eggcrate either. I am very aware of the anglers ability to chow down especially given some recently posted videos! I think he will just be in the tank for a couple of days. But thanks Lisa ...
 
Sorry, I figured you knew about the lion/angler risk, but I didn't see it in the thread that they would be separated. :)
 
No -- it's seriously okay. No need to apologize. I really appreciate all of the help and advice I can get. That's what so awesome about you and a lot of the folks here. I don't think it was posted that I was planning on splitting the tank on this thread. There was one video of an angler inhaling a fuzzy -- WOW! I think the tiger stripe is still pretty small -- 3 inches or so. But the lion is only 4 inches -- I will be nervous until I can get the new lion up with the other lions! And now that I know he is weaned it will be a lot quicker than I originally thought.
 
Location

Location

I almost feel like we should pop by Blue Zoo to look at the fish. Its pattern is definitely unique. Not that I'm correct, but I'm just not seeing "radiata".

I wonder what kind of biotope it was collected in...just trying to account for an "environmental/location" color morph.


namxas, fish dave, posted about the location. He said it was collected in the Solomon Islands.


This lion was caught in the Solomon Islands and has characteristics of both P. radiata and P. antennata which is why when caught they assumed that it was a hybrid. I think that Blue Zoo is just assuming that the I.D. from the Solomons was correct. This is the only one that we have seen with this type of pattern or body shape in over 15 years of collecting in the Solomons. P. radiata is not very common in the Solomons but a few specimens have been caught there. P. antennata is much more common there.

Dave
 
Yes, I saw that. However, I'm just not seeing "radiata". What I AM seeing is a fish that might be a mombassae-antennata hybrid, if such a thing exists. I also think that based on appearance, it might be more likely to have these two fish mate than a pair that looks a lot less alike.

Then again, it just might be some very local coloration morph...

Nobody knows for sure unless there's a DNA test, but it's fun to knock the idea around.
 
What does not show up in the pictures is a very orange coloration especially on the bottom fins / rays / creepers. These bottom fins are very sturdy and thick with a quite orange coloration. It was collected from a reef, not a muddy area or lagoon area but a clear water reef which is also the only place that we see radiata lions. It was collected in less than 40 feet depth as we do not collect deeper water lions due to difficulties with swim bladder decompression. We do not have any proof of the fish being a hybrid, only the fact that the bottom fins look similar to what we have seen on Radiata and that it just does not give the impression of a "normal" antennata which we see very commonly. We have never had nor seen what folks here are calling a "Mombassa" and we never collect lion fish from the depths that the "Mombassa" are supposed to come from.

Dave
 
Hi Dave -- I don't know who you are -- would love to know a bit more about you. You personally collected the fish? You work with the people who did? You are a part of Blue Zoo or work with the people who collect for and send to Blue Zoo and others? Sorry -- can you clarify? Just curious about all of the relationships.
 
I agree with greg, I don't see characteristics of a radiata.

dave, some mombassas come in a very electric red coloration which could be the orange color your seeing, here is one of my previous specimens
lionfish095.jpg
 
here is a larger darker colored mombassa I kept (sorry for all the huge pics, I'm trying to figure out how to make them fit on the screen)

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As for the fish in question, the eye spots on the pectoral fins look more pronounced in color like an antennata but are more scattered like an mombassa. Also the pec fin filaments seem shorter like an mombassa. And the eyes seem to be a little more on the larger side, so who really knows. all that really matters is that it's a bad a$$ morph of whatever species and i cant wait to see it in sherri's tank
 
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It is not the body that is orange colored it is the bottom creeper fins / filaments. It will be interesting to see what the person that is getting the fish thinks.

Dave
 
Here's a pic of one of the three P. mombassae that have come our way:

mom700.jpg


Oddly enuff, Renee hasn't shot many pix of our antennata or the newest Mombasa. Actually, the antennata has kind of an odd pattern near its tail...
 
The fish will be arriving tomorrow morning. I will do my best to take some good pictures! I definitely do not have the knowledge that many others here have for identification purposes and my photographic skills aren't the best! But we will have fun looking at this guy to see what we see.
 
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