Ready for RAW & 100/400 L IS

[danskim]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10616306#post10616306 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by beerguy
Unless you don't like noise when you're shooting above 400-800 ISO. In that case you'll still have plenty to be envious about. :lol:

They have a new sensor and new proprietary image processor called the EXPEED (I guess borrow the idea of a standard processor for their DSLRS like Canon's DIGIC I/II/III- not saying this is a bad thing).
But I'm sure their ISO performance has improved. We'll have to see by how much.

 

[danskim]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10616298#post10616298 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by beerguy
I did a 4 day shoot in Yosemite in February with about 12 people. The gear that folks used was distributed about the same as the current market. 60% Canon, 30% Nikon and a few Sony, Pentax, etc.....

We had rain, snow and mix of the two every single day. 2 people had cameras fail due to moisture problems; both were D200s. Speculate all you'd like but real world experience tells me that your assessment is wrong.

I was on a cruise this past summer... and I only saw one other fellow Canonite. I saw at least 15+ Nikonians that were passengers, and the photography crew onboard used Nikons. I was so confused since I did remember reading the current market share. But then again... I saw mostly kit lenses on the Nikons

 

[KurtsReef]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10616224#post10616224 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by dinoman

I can't help it if some of the other canon shooters are pansies .

:rollface:

Thats funny!

 

[MCary]

Hey Bart, what part of our fair state are you from? Where did you rent the lens?

If you live close you could borrow my 70-200.

Mike

 

[KurtsReef]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10616306#post10616306 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by beerguy
Unless you don't like noise when you're shooting above 400-800 ISO. In that case you'll still have plenty to be envious about. :lol:

From my own little study of noise at ISO 800 and above, unless your using a 5D or 1D series camera, Canon's noise performance is no better than Nikons. Its the larger sensors that provides the better looking shots at higher ISO's.

Other than that its in camera settings for noise reduction and post processing.

The new Nikon files will be interesting too see, but I am in no hurry to pick up a D3. Will wait for the dust to clear from the first group of hungry gear heads too see if a 'better' version comes out (D3x at 18mp or so within a year of this release)

 

[Barto]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10616911#post10616911 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by MCary
Hey Bart, what part of our fair state are you from? Where did you rent the lens?

If you live close you could borrow my 70-200.

Mike

Mike, I'm about an hour north & west of Bozeman
Rental is from Bozeman Camera Repair
Thanks for the offer of the 70/200
What corner of the state do you occupy?

 

[danskim]

Actually the 20D and 30D have noticeable better high ISO noise handling than Nikon D80 and D200. I saw that on either dpreview or stevesdigicams I think.
I've gotten usable photos at 1600 with my 30D.
I don't know if the D3x will be "better." It'll be suited for a different crowd mostly. I doubt it will have as fast a burst speed as the D3 or D300, the same way the 1D III is faster than the 1Ds III. The difference in MP will be the determining factor for those needing high quality large prints with a cheaper format than digital medium format.

 

[KurtsReef]

Dan, The 20D and 30D have very aggressive in camera reduction however the RAW files I got from friends who own those cameras with all noise reduction off in camera looked no better than the files from a D200 and only slightly better than the D70. I did not have D80 or D50 files to compare with, and at the time I was thinking of switching too Canon for the 5D and 1D series camera's which do have very good quality at the higher ISO's.

I do not believe everything I read, there are reviews (Not from Nikon but people who get cash or equipment to review) of the D3 that state its high ISO files are "Much better than the Mark III" which I will believe if/when I compare files from both cameras as it is very doubtful to me. Nikon claimed the D2x had great high ISO performance and in my opinion that is simply not true unless you want too shoot for that grainy B&W look.

 

[danskim]

I see. I haven't done any direct comparisons myself. I shoot only RAW too with no in-camera sharpening/editing of any kind. But I still get lots of usable photos at pretty much any ISO setting.

But I am looking very forward to a 5D upgrade...

 

[MCary]

I'm the hospital lab manager in Hardin. I am also a Bobcat. I have the 70-200 f/4L and the 400 f/5.6L. Those two lenses are by far the best value in the Canon lineup.

I believe Bozeman Camera is about the only truely professional camera shop in Montana. Nice to have a place close to rent lenses.

Mike

 

[KurtsReef]

The 5D is sweet, a few friends have them and it has a wonderful sensor in it. I have seen some great shots taken at high ISO's. Had a local store had one in stock one day this past winter I would be shooting either both nikon and canon or switched over by now...but they did not and I had the time to do the math on what I would get for my gear used vs what all of that in canon would run me new or new and some used...$$$$

Good news for someone like you that has not gotten one yet is that if/when nikon makes a D300fx (full frame) the price on the 5D should drop considerably.

 

[danskim]

Yes, I anticipate a nice price drop...
But then I'll also have 6D envy late winter/early spring.

But anyways, we are quite OT. Haha.
The 70-200 f/4L is indeed one of the best values.

 

[KurtsReef]

Slight hijack...

I have no experience with the 70-200f/4 but both Nikon and Canon make great 70-200 f/2.8 glass both in IS and non-IS versions. The non-IS versions can be picked up for a pretty good deal at places like keh.com

 

[Barto]

just got home from work & have the "L" in my hot little hands
wow thats a huge piece of glass
getting a little dark to do too much, maybe some moon shots a little later,
The rental string there is pretty limited, mostly BIG glass that goes to the park

the 70/200 2.8 is what I'd love to try out next, maybe start dropping hints to Santa

 

[Dino]

There is a reason its called the white whale!

 

[Barto]

Dino, or anyone else...

the "whale" didn't come with the manual, I should look up the functions so I have an idea of how it works

canon.com for a manual?

 

[Dino]

You should be able to find any manuals on canons site, there really isn't much to the lens manuals though. Should have a switch on it to turn the IS on and off, most people turn the IS off if they're using it on a tripod. Then, I can't remember if the 1-4 has a focus limiter switch on it or not (I've never had the 1-4 in person), but if it does basically what it does is limit the range the lens focuses - makes it focus faster since it doesn't have to go the entire focusing range. The 1-4 is also a push/pull zoom so you may or may not be very familiar with that system since I know you did quite a bit with older manual focus lenses .