Red Bugs! Advice Needed

[sufunk]

Really? Double dose? So that would be 1 whole pill about for my 180g instead of half?

Have you done this yourself Chris with no problems? Also, did you only do 1 treatment or the recommended 3 at a double dose?

Sorry for all the questions but wanna get it right the 1st time.

 

[chrisaggie]

Yes, I have done the double dose twice with great success! Yes, that would be a full pill for your 180. I did effectively rid my tank of red bugs totally each time with 1 treatment, but you may need 2.

 

[sufunk]

Cool, thanks!

1 last question(hopefully):
My tank is 180g and i have about 25-30 gallons in the sump/fuge. 250lbs of LR and 120lbs of LS. I'm figuring that gives me a TOTAL of only about 180g or less.

Obviously wouldn't hold you to it but do you have a guesstimate for my TOTAL water volume? Is my 180 estimate high/low/just right?

 

[rawbomb]

i am planing on needing just one since i too did a double with 2 pills for the tank.

I still have the rics, just been lazy with posting them and they have actually grown a bit too.

 

[sufunk]

Rawbomb, pm me if you still are thinking about selling them(or when you decide to) and i'll give you my cell# so we can talk

 

[chrisaggie]

Well, rock is about 20 pounds per gallon, so my guess is you have about 195 gallons minus sand if you have any. A full pill should be about perfect.

 

[sufunk]

Sorry, knew i'd have more questions.

Did any of your pods at all survive the double dose? and how quick after did you do the second treatment?

 

[chrisaggie]

I didnt' do a second treatment. My two double doses were about a year apart. The reintroduction was a mistake by me. Very very few pods will survive, but a few will. It will take 1-3 months to repopulate most likely. Some of the pod species may be wiped out completely.

 

[chrisaggie]

wrong thread posted in, sorry!

 

[sufunk]

I have a mandarin so i am worried about him starving. It seems like with a regular dose, you have a pretty good chance of a decent amount of pods surviving. I'm worried a double dose may guarantee that much fewer survive I wanna try and save as many pods aas possible for him.

 

[chrisaggie]

the majority of your pods will be toast either way. Your best bet is to reseeds your pods after you treat. You could attemp to isolate your fuge from thje treatment also.

 

[sufunk]

WHEW!! well, i'm all ready to start treating tomorrow.

I have 40 gallons stirring right now for the water change(if ever there was an incentive to get an ro/di machine its the thought of lugging 40g around 5 more times in the next 3 weeks!!!:eek1: )

I have the interceptor and a place to measure it down to .001grams. Also, i have enough carbon to form a new planet!

Now i just have to decide the dosage. Do i follow the "normal" protocol which would be a half pill or take chrisaggie and a few others advice and double dose a whole pill??? Double dosing worries me but the argument that the medicine isnt distributed evenly thru the pill worries me as well.

Based on his reputation/knowledge and what i know of him from him MANY helpful posts, i think i will go with chris's(and a few others) advice and double dose a whole pill.

Any last words of advise from anyone before i start tomorrow???

 

[chrisaggie]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10129017#post10129017 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by sufunk
Double dosing worries me but the argument that the medicine isnt distributed evenly thru the pill worries me as well.

This rumor that the active ingredient in interceptor isn't distibuted evenly is total BS and has nothing to back it up.

 

[sufunk]

Really???? hmm, seemed plausible because i did crush 2 tablets last night thinking i was doing the regular dose and there were small white chunks unevenly thru the pill which i assumed was the active ingredient. This is what really made me start thinking to double dose.

Why did you do the double dose then for?

 

[chrisaggie]

I double dosed because the higher level of active ingredient seems to kill the red bugs better.

 

[sufunk]

Thank you. Well, you and a couple others who know much more than me all did a whole pill in their 180g with absolutely no problems so its good enough for me. Wish me luck.

I had already crushed 2 pills which i was thinking would be wasted now but i guess i can just measure out two 1 gram doses from the powder with no worries if the medicine is evenly distributed, correct?

 

[gasman059]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=#post target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by sufunk
Thank you. Well, you and a couple others who know much more than me all did a whole pill in their 180g with absolutely no problems so its good enough for me. Wish me luck.

I had already crushed 2 pills which i was thinking would be wasted now but i guess i can just measure out two 1 gram doses from the powder with no worries if the medicine is evenly distributed, correct?

unfortunately is not evenly distributed

 

[chrisaggie]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10130353#post10130353 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by gasman059
unfortunately is not evenly distributed

on boy...here we go.....why do you think it is not evenly distributed? I spoke with the manufacturer.

 

[gasman059]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=#post target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by chrisaggie
on boy...here we go.....why do you think it is not evenly distributed? I spoke with the manufacturer.

well lets see- LOLLOLOLOLOL
Chris It's truly impossible to evenly distribute apill preparation. If a pill does not have an indentation for "cutting" it means that is supposed to be used as a whole.
This is a fact of medicine and pharmacokinetics.
BTW I also stayed at a holiday inn and spoke to the Novartis rep regarding this whole interceptor craze for Tegastes- and had the opportunity to meet the rep at a vet clinic.

LOLOLOL


BTW i don't disagree with the manufacturer recommendation but vets do recommend the pill to be taken as a whole, and perhaps is true but seems unlikely from the pharmacokinetics standpoint. So I dont know who's right or wrong.

 

[chrisaggie]

Well....it's like have a pickle pucket full of pennies and then 100 nickels thrown in. If the bucket was mixed totally then we would say the nickels are evenly distributed. In actuality it's impossible to be totally evenly distributed since your luck of getting a nickel or two in each 100 coins you pull out of the bucket. So, the way they make these pills is to mix huge batches and then make individualy pills. The active ingredient is evenly distributed. If you cut a pill in have you may get 51% and 49% active ingredient but that would be totally by chance, like getting 51 nickels in have the bucket of pennies. Yes, I agree it's impossible to 100% evenly distribute an active ingredient, but why do you think the active ingredient is any less distributed that other pills that can be cut?