Red bugs worth the trouble?

does anyone know of a link or can someone explain the process of dosing either interceptor or Dr Gs? I have the general idea of what I should do but not 100%.. my plan is as follows:

1. Take as many crabs, snails, shrimp, and hermits out of my display (specifically my harlequin shrimp) and relocate them to a little 10g that I have.. now should this 10g be cycled? or could I just match salinity and temp to put everything in for the treatment? also will these treatments have an effect on starfish?

2. take out all filter media and turn off skimmer in sump

3. dose solution or dissolved tablet of desired amount.

4. ?? then i just wait? how long do I let the treatment to run in the tank?

5. do a water change (not sure as to what % I should do after treatment?)

6. after water change put filter media back in (3 bags of Chemi Pure Elite is all I run in my fuge) turn skimmer back on.. add livestock that i took out back to tank.


other than the % water change and how long I run the treatment for is this the correct procedure for these treatments? Also my system is roughly 110-115g total water volume

Thanks in advance for any and all comments.
 
You dont really need to do a water change, just put in some carbon and put the skimmer back on line. It takes about 4 hours to start seeing the bugs fall off the coral.
 
power boat jim said:
You dont really need to do a water change, just put in some carbon and put the skimmer back on line. It takes about 4 hours to start seeing the bugs fall off the coral.
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Thanks for the input.. I will probably just do a water change anyway because I have water mixed and ready to go.

any input on the 10g that I am about to set up to hold some livestock?
 
NaturalReef said:
Everything piper said^^^^^

I used Dr. G's coral dip in my tank as it uses the same ingredient in interceptor. It is a liquid in a bottle and one capful for a period of 3 hours and ALL red bugs were gone. I have crazy polyp extension ever since. Three 10 percent water changes and your tank is back to normal. I cant recommend it enough....it also kills aefw per the bottle.
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I just picked this product up to dose my tank to get rid of red bugs.. I was wondering if you saw any ill effects towards bristle worms when you treated you tank with this? the reason i ask is because as a dip it says it works on bristle worms and I do not want to kill the bristle worms in my tank. if i did i would have a major problem with death in my tank as I have thousands of bristle worms.. thanks in advance for your input
 
I haven't seen any issues with the worm population- they still come out of the cracks when feeding. The bottle says it will kill a lot of stuff, but for the whole tank dosing being discussed, we are using the product way below the concentration that is used for the recommended 6hr. dip (per the bottle). The relatively low concentration being dosed to the tank affects the red bugs and some other organisms (see my note on my cleaner shrimp), but I don't think it kills all that the bottle claims when used WT.
 
michaelg said:
I haven't seen any issues with the worm population- they still come out of the cracks when feeding. The bottle says it will kill a lot of stuff, but for the whole tank dosing being discussed, we are using the product way below the concentration that is used for the recommended 6hr. dip (per the bottle). The relatively low concentration being dosed to the tank affects the red bugs and some other organisms (see my note on my cleaner shrimp), but I don't think it kills all that the bottle claims when used WT.
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thanks a lot for your response. I am aware of the potential threat to other organisms I have already taken out all shrimp snails and hermits.. I even took some rock out of my fuge so I can seed the pods back after i do the treatment. the only thing that I couldn't get out of my display is my purple lobster hopefully he makes it through the treatment! thanks again for your response I am going to dose the treatment after work today I will post my results after I do so.
 
so I dosed Dr G's coral dip into my display at 6:20pm tonight. may tank has an estimated 100-110g total water volume so I dosed 5 and 1/2 capfuls based on the 1 capful per 20g theory. rand skimmer with no cup and air hose disconnected. also removed all filer media bags (chemi pure elite).

6:20pm- dosed 5 capfuls of Dr Gs coral dip into DT.

7:20pm- no visible change in RBs or anything else in the tank (took all inverts out)

8:20pm- still no change in RBs there seems to be the same amount as there were before. no visible pod depletion in the fuge or anywhere else in the tank either. I found a hermit in the fuge and it seems to be in good health still as well. I can also still see the RBs moving around on the infected coral specimens.

9:20pm- RBs still seem to have the same numbers, can still visibly see them moving, although some seem to be immobile at this time they still seem very much alive. Still no visible depletion in the pod population both in the DT or fuge. the hermit that is in the fuge seems unaffected still also.

Is there something I'm doing wrong? should I dose some more solution? in others posts when dosing this product they have seen results within the first 2 hours what gives?

any and all comments or input will be greatly appreciated
 
Not an expert by any means but perhaps you under dosed. How did you determine water volume? I have dipped with Dr. G's and it took like 3 hours before I starting seeing them die. I would add another cap and let it sit all night. The active ingredient is not harmful to fish or corals even well past the overdose level.
 
Find any today? Most of what I read indicates it takes a while- up to 6 hrs?
anenomeguy- I have a separate refuge- I did disconnect from main system. My feeling was that as these bugs seem so specific for acropora, that there wouldn't be a population in my fuge. I could be wrong- time will tell.
 
xanthurum said:
Not an expert by any means but perhaps you under dosed. How did you determine water volume? I have dipped with Dr. G's and it took like 3 hours before I starting seeing them die. I would add another cap and let it sit all night. The active ingredient is not harmful to fish or corals even well past the overdose level.
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I determined water volume by combining my 75g display with my 36g sump/refugium.. I figured roughly 100g after water displacement from my live rock and other things that would displace water. so in reality it is probably less than 100g and furthermore leads me to believe that I overdosed with Dr Gs. also before I went to bed I dumped another healthy cap full of solution into the tank so thats a total of 6 1/2 capfuls which should be way above the what I should have dosed.

michaelg said:
Find any today? Most of what I read indicates it takes a while- up to 6 hrs?
anenomeguy- I have a separate refuge- I did disconnect from main system. My feeling was that as these bugs seem so specific for acropora, that there wouldn't be a population in my fuge. I could be wrong- time will tell.
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I tried to look before work this morning but without the lights on it is pretty tough to be able to see the bugs even with a flashlight.. I did check my fuge and my pod population still seems 100% as what it was before treatment.. I did also notice the hermit that was left down there was also still very much alive. when i get out of work today I will be able to look in greater detail to see if the bugs are still there. I did, however, leave skimmer off and all media bags out overnight and also this morning so by the time i get home the treatment will have run for just about 24 hrs. The only thing I can think of is that when i first dosed I forgot to unhook the air hose on my skimmer but this was only for about 20 minutes after initial dose i dont think this would have stripped the water of the solution that quickly do you?
 
So ive not done the treatment yet as i just got back from vacation and didn't want be gone and something happen and need to do water changes etc... But i have a 225 gallon system and i see killinit123 has a 110 or so and im wondering if when you get to the larger more volume tank size if the "popular" dose is strong enough. Killinit123 please keep us posted and like others have said it seems to take awhile and may require a second round in a week. If i do move forward i will do 2 treatments a week apart. Again im trying to rule out any water param issues first but everything else is thriving but when i removed the small brain frag that has half died off, i saw all kinds of small black microscopic bugs in the bowl after dipping with coral rx. So if these are the issue then it seems to go for more than just my large monti cap that is all but totally bleached out now, but i think the die off was mostly a result of one of my orphek leds had been running 24/7 while i was gone on vacation. I pulled in last saturday at 4 in the morning and noticed from outside that some lights were on and knew it wasnt going to be a good thing. I had my blue stylo bleach on the tips and a few other things but no complete loss like the monti. Before i left the monti was only half bleached. I have always dipped my corals but from now on im using the drg dip and quarintine for a week or so first. One last question, i have 2 pectina corals in my tank and both look real good except the green on that i grew from a dime size frag looks a little different and was wondering if it was after shock of the lights being on for an extended time or do you think whatever is bothering my stonies is also now bothering it?
 
anemoneguy said:
So ive not done the treatment yet as i just got back from vacation and didn't want be gone and something happen and need to do water changes etc... But i have a 225 gallon system and i see killinit123 has a 110 or so and im wondering if when you get to the larger more volume tank size if the "popular" dose is strong enough. Killinit123 please keep us posted and like others have said it seems to take awhile and may require a second round in a week. If i do move forward i will do 2 treatments a week apart. Again im trying to rule out any water param issues first but everything else is thriving but when i removed the small brain frag that has half died off, i saw all kinds of small black microscopic bugs in the bowl after dipping with coral rx. So if these are the issue then it seems to go for more than just my large monti cap that is all but totally bleached out now, but i think the die off was mostly a result of one of my orphek leds had been running 24/7 while i was gone on vacation. I pulled in last saturday at 4 in the morning and noticed from outside that some lights were on and knew it wasnt going to be a good thing. I had my blue stylo bleach on the tips and a few other things but no complete loss like the monti. Before i left the monti was only half bleached. I have always dipped my corals but from now on im using the drg dip and quarintine for a week or so first. One last question, i have 2 pectina corals in my tank and both look real good except the green on that i grew from a dime size frag looks a little different and was wondering if it was after shock of the lights being on for an extended time or do you think whatever is bothering my stonies is also now bothering it?
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I have posted my results as of this morning from the little time I had to try and observe before work (above). but I will post what I find later today after I get home from work, which by then the treatment will have ran for almost 24 hours. I was planning on doing a second treatment in a week but if I still see bugs when I get home I may just do the second treatment back to back and dose again tonight. Is my system ok to have the skimmer off and no filter media for this long?
 
so i have went a week with no skimmer at times mainly forgetting to plug it back in after water changes. my sump fills up enough when i shut my main pump off and the change in water level makes my skimmer overflow. so ive tried to learn to shut it off before killing the main. of course then you have to remember to turn it back on. either way, i think with normal day to day stuff its ok, but when using any chemicals id hate to say for sure. so if you do a second treatment back to back maybe wait another 12 hours and then do a water change and re start skimming. i want to do this treatment but i have anemones and im worried about them. wish i could get some first hand feedback on that.
 
anemoneguy said:
so i have went a week with no skimmer at times mainly forgetting to plug it back in after water changes. my sump fills up enough when i shut my main pump off and the change in water level makes my skimmer overflow. so ive tried to learn to shut it off before killing the main. of course then you have to remember to turn it back on. either way, i think with normal day to day stuff its ok, but when using any chemicals id hate to say for sure. so if you do a second treatment back to back maybe wait another 12 hours and then do a water change and re start skimming. i want to do this treatment but i have anemones and im worried about them. wish i could get some first hand feedback on that.
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Thanks for the input.. anyone else have any opinions on the next course of action? or concerns with doing this treatment back to back?

anemoneguy- I believe anemones will be perfectly fine.. I have multiple aptasia and unfortunately it did nothing to them.. I also have a marbled starfish and that seems fine as well. I also forgot about my purple lobster which I was not able to get out of the tank.. saw him this morning and seemed unaffected as well.
 
anenomeguy, while I don't have any clown hosting or other ornamental anenomes in my tank, the couple aptasia I have are doing fine. There should be information on people who have used interceptor and if their anenomes had any response I would think. Drug is the same, so information should hold.
 
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