Reef Crystals results....

Ok, the problem appears to be me. I have had an exchange with someone from IO/RC and here is the result (start at the bottom):

RC: Well, I'm not trying to say you are unsanitary, but a really good scrubbing with some kind of brush or scotch brite pad maybe once a month or so should help with the formation of this material you mentioned. I have seen pretty much exactly what you describe and when we scrub our basin down along with a bleach soak we don't see it for a while ....
then it returns and we clean again.

Me: So, it appears that I may have some unsanitary procedures that I need to correct.

RC: I believe the brown foam is also due to the bacteria in the basin. I do not see this effect right after we do a good cleaning of our 100gal mixing basin. There is no type of clay added to the product nor is there any present in any of the raw materials.


Me: Thanks. I figured that the discolored water was due to bacteria building up, so I drained the water, bleached the tub, rinsed it out, and am in the process of making a new batch today. The other issue is with a brown foam forming at the top of the water when I add the salt. It doesn't discolor the water, but it does form in brown bubbles. Is this also bacteria? There are numerous theories on this, from bacteria to a certain type of clay added to the mix and everything in between. Can you elaborate?


RC: In my experience this tends to occur when the basin being used to mix the seawater is also used to hold the mixed seawater for some time. Bacteria will grow in any water body. I have found that a very thorough cleaning of the mixing basin by soaking with some dilute bleach followed by a fresh water soaking/rinsing/scrubbing will eliminate the slime condition for the next few uses of the basin. After it is used to hold the seawater again, the bacteria will grow again so this washing is best done regularly.
 
I call bs on that RC response now that I have heard other peoples issues with this. I think all of us know how to keep our mixing stations clean, this stuff appears within 1-2 days, aerated or not, in freshly bleached containers..........

If its not harmful or an issue to worry about, I can deal with that, but saying it isnt coming from the salt........ ??
 
O.K. lets play nice. :)

Everyone's entitled to an opinion based on each ones experience.

I think it's safe to say at this point that the brown colored foam is nothing to worry about.

If one is that worried about it, it is easily skimmed out prior to using the water. :)
 
my apologies if that came out as not nice.........

not my intention......just an observation/perception :)
 
In my 30gal RO/DI bin I get a slimy feeling on the vinyl tubing from the pump, Jim at TFG's had that too, and thought it maybe a bacteria, did the bleach thing and did not return, he did not know if it would be detrimental to the tank.
 
Glad to see the "brown water" isn't just me. I switched to RC a a couple of weeks ago (I was having issues with Bio-Sea's salt) and noticed it with the first batch of water I mixed in a freshly cleaned bucket. I've also noticed an increase in algae in my tank since doing water changes with RC. Last night I changed out my phosban. Hopefully that will take care of it.

Andy
 
I have been using RC salt since I started in the hobby seven years ago. I have never had the brown slime you guys describe. I do have the same deposits as in Randy's picture. I have cleaned my 30 gallon brute may be 3 times in all these years. I have a heater and maxijet running constantly so I'm always ready for a water change. I usually do a 10% water change every other week or so.

In those seven years I never had a problem keeping my alkalinity, calcium or pH at the desired levels after I switched to using Kent two part instead of B Ionic.

Well the honeymoon is over and I'm back to having problems with alkalinity and calcium levels. This is how I ended up on this thread, searching for an answer to my problems. I guess I must have gotten a bad batch of salt. Tomorrow I will test the stored water.
 
I am sorry, with RC I used that from the start 2and a half years ago, sent in 3 samples from 3 different 160's from DrFS, RC agreed they where bad, got 3 buckets from RC, tested out low, what and who do you trust!!!! It just SUCKS!!!!!! I do a 30gal/20% water change every 2 weeks, I have enough RC for 2 years and it is all bad/low in what we measure it for not to mention what else we can not measure. I have called them one there replacement ones, I have too much else going on in my life right now, plus I have no faith in them.
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=11952144#post11952144 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by rbursek
I am sorry, with RC I used that from the start 2and a half years ago, sent in 3 samples from 3 different 160's from DrFS, RC agreed they where bad, got 3 buckets from RC, tested out low, what and who do you trust!!!! It just SUCKS!!!!!! I do a 30gal/20% water change every 2 weeks, I have enough RC for 2 years and it is all bad/low in what we measure it for not to mention what else we can not measure. I have called them one there replacement ones, I have too much else going on in my life right now, plus I have no faith in them.
That's why I just ordered a bucket of Coralife salt!
 
Is the brown stuff you guys are talking about cover the pumps? Because i get that when mixing RC for a day or two.
 
No, its just on top of the water, collecting on the bubbles in the mixing container for me. I don't worry much about it. :)
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=11952537#post11952537 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by USC-fan
Is the brown stuff you guys are talking about cover the pumps? Because i get that when mixing RC for a day or two.

yes. In my case it is. its super thin layer on the inside of the mixing containers and the mag 24 I use to mix with.

My water surely isnt discolored like some have said. it sounds like there are different degrees of this depending on which bucket you have..
 
There are two different things. There is the brown foam that forms on top of the water and then there is the brown film that grows on the sides of the container and everything within it.

I think the foam is bacteria in the mix that activitates when it hits water. Kind of like yeast when you add it to water. The film is what you get after mixing several batches of RC in that container without sterilizing the container. The bacteria sticks to the walls of the container and goes into a spore stage when the container is emptied. When new saltwater is added, it takes off.

Just my theory.
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=11927063#post11927063 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Engine 7
I know you said that you felt that adding to a salt mix is a waste of time (and I totally agree :) )but my point was that with Tropic Marin salt there is no need to and it has always been a stable salt that I have never found to "change" from batch to batch. Also, it doesn't have that brown slime that Instant Ocean and Reef Crystals has had in the past.

Tropic Marin problems:

http://reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=1322650
 
:( I'm so glad that I have been stopping in this forum lately. I just had the brown slime in my tank that I use to mix water in, about a month ago. Like everyone else, I just thought it was something from the air that got into the tank. Cleaned up the tank, heater, and pump, and mixed a new batch. I guess it wasn't something in the air after all.
 
I had never had it happen in over a year of mixing salt. The 1st time it happened to me was a month ago. I'm just going to have to continue to watch for it again. Sure is a pain to rip everything down though.
 
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