Reef Crystals results....

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=11924053#post11924053 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by EvilE
I said the same exact thing....;)
I know you said that you felt that adding to a salt mix is a waste of time (and I totally agree :) )but my point was that with Tropic Marin salt there is no need to and it has always been a stable salt that I have never found to "change" from batch to batch. Also, it doesn't have that brown slime that Instant Ocean and Reef Crystals has had in the past.
 
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Same to you Billybeau1 ;)

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=11927063#post11927063 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Engine 7
I know you said that you felt that adding to a salt mix is a waste of time (and I totally agree :) )but my point was that with Tropic Marin salt there is no need to and it has always been a stable salt that I have never found to "change" from batch to batch.

Until recently, thats what some people said about RC. :D Its totally possible that TM will have a burp in a batch, or that someone will simply report bad levels from a bucket, and people will ditch it the same way they are ditching the ditchable salt of the moment.
 
I think RC needs to get this brown slime thing figured out. I don't care how inoccuous they say it is, it is a brown slime that discolors my water and, at a minimum, limits the effective life of my carbon that removes the gunk from my water.
 
What brown slime thing are you talking about ?

If you are getting cynobacteria, I highly doubt it is being caused by Reef Crystals.

We will soon find out as Randy accidentally ordered RC instead of the IO he has been using for years. I'm sure he will let us know if he starts getting brown slime, but I wouldn't hold my breath. :lol:
 
Brown slime in the container where you mix the salt. I don't have any algae issues in my tank.

When you mix RC, there is a brown slime/foam that forms on the top of the water. They claim it is harmless bacteria. If you continue to mix RC in the same container, unless you sterilize the container, the slime eventually forms all over the inside of the container and the water turns slightly brown. This is a well known RC issue.
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=11928734#post11928734 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Thales
I use RC and have not seen any brown slime.

So, you're the one? I knew that there was one person out there that said they have never seen it, but I thought it was just legend. ;)

RC and IO acknowledge this happens.
 
So, you're the one? I knew that there was one person out there that said they have never seen it, but I thought it was just legend.

RC and IO acknowledge this happens.


I've used IO for more than 10 years, and read tens of thousands of posts about tank water, and I have no idea what you are talking about. Are you referring to the precipitate that happens in the mixing reservoir? That is mostly calcium carbonate, as it bubbles and dissolves in acid, and it doesn't get into the tank if you let it settle out. I've never heard anyone complain it discolored their water.

I've recently accidently switched to RC, and still see nothing in the tank.

Here's a picture of the solids on the bottom of my mixing reservoir:


What is that Precipitate in My Reef Aquarium?
http://reefkeeping.com/issues/2005-07/rhf/index.htm

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Figure 1. The residue on the bottom of the plastic trash can that I use to mix Instant Ocean. I rarely clean it out. The solid is most likely calcium carbonate.


from it:

Solid Residues Remaining After Preparing Artificial Seawater



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Most salt mixes leave behind a solid residue when dissolved, although the extent to which this occurs varies from brand to brand. I use Instant Ocean and rarely clean out the 44-gallon trashcan that I mix it in, so a significant residue builds up over time (Figure 1). In preparation for this article I removed some of this solid material, and found that it could be almost completely dissolved in hydrochloric acid with lots of bubbling. This demonstrates that these solids were probably calcium carbonate (CaCO3), perhaps also containing magnesium. Pure magnesium carbonate is undersaturated in seawater (which is detailed in later sections of this article) 1 and should dissolve in marine systems, so it isn't likely to be the precipitated material, although there may be significant magnesium in the calcium carbonate.

Based on the fact that the material exists as sheets that clearly did not arrive in the mix (as opposed to a fine powder which might have), I conclude that at least a significant fraction of this residue formed in the barrel. I cannot, however, rule out the possibility that some solid calcium or magnesium carbonate may have existed in the salt mix and was cemented together by additional precipitation of calcium carbonate during dissolution or storage.

When salt mixes are dissolved, there exist local regions where the salt concentration is very high. In those local regions, the calcium and alkalinity must also be very high. In fact, as seawater is concentrated by evaporation, there is a well-established series of minerals that precipitate as the salinity increases. In this series, calcium and magnesium carbonate are the first to precipitate, appearing at a specific gravity of about 1.140, which is about a 50% solution of salt in water.1 Such conditions may well exist on the bottom of a saltwater reservoir as the salt is dissolving.

With some mixes (but not the Instant Ocean that I use), the initial pH on dissolution may be very high (pH 8.5-9 +). As shown in detail later in this article, pH can play a dominant role in determining the rate of calcium carbonate precipitation, and such a high pH would make it more likely to precipitate.

It has been suggested by some aquarists that some salt mixes may contain anti-caking agents, such as clays. I do not know if this is true, but if it is, they may form part of the residue that is left behind after dissolution.

In order to minimize the formation of insoluble carbonate salts when mixing, the following suggestions may be helpful:

1. Add the salt to a full batch of water, rather than adding water slowly to a large batch of salt. The latter allows a greater time at much higher than natural seawater salinity, which may tend to precipitate calcium and magnesium salts.

2. Stir the mixture vigorously as it is being dissolved.

3. If using a mix with a high initial pH, aerate the mixture as well as stirring it. The aeration will reduce the pH.
 
No. When you mix the salt in your RO, you get a brown film and foam on top of the water. According to what I have been told, RC claims that this is just a harmless bacteria.

You must be the other one. ;)
 
Oh, ok. I have actually experienced that but not only with RC. I thought it was something in my air causing it.

Is the water itself discolored? Do you believe it discolors the tank water? Even with bacteria on the walls of the container (which I can believe since they may consume the organics in it), I can't see how it will discolor the tank water unless you scrape it off, or, as mentioned above, some is floating in it. I see none of that at the moment.

I do not believe this is a problem with IO, and the ingredients in IO are quite different and not conducive to bacterial growth the way RC may be.

I knew I preferred IO for a good reason. :D
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=11928759#post11928759 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by jglackin
So, you're the one? I knew that there was one person out there that said they have never seen it, but I thought it was just legend. ;)

RC and IO acknowledge this happens.

:lol:

Just pointing out that it doesn't always happen. :D
 
I have no discoloration in the water. I was actually talking about the bubbles on the top of my mixing bucket. Sometimes the bubbles have a brown color to it after mixing overnight. I thought it was picking up some gunk in my air.

Maybe I'll start covering my bucket to rule this out. :)
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=11929236#post11929236 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Randy Holmes-Farley
Do you drive air into it? With the organics in it, that might just act like a skimmer and collect a foam.

That may be just what I am seeing.

Yes, I run a small Rio pump with an air line that draws air in while it is mixing.
 
FWIW, I use RC, and have some of that brown stuff, when talking to Jim at TFG's, he said it is a clay they add to the mix to absorb moisture.
 
Im a RC user brown slime owner. I just noticed it start ahppening 6months ago.

I havent changed anything in my water change regimen except for bought a couple new big brutes that i kept rinsing an bleaching water change after water change thinking they might be the culprit .....

Goot to know I dont have to keep wondering...or needlessly cleaning my big brutes over and over......

as far as the deficient calcium.....doenst bother me although I agree it would be nice if all salt was perfect...
 
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