Reef Crystals - The results are in...
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Billybeau1
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My money is on 12 dkh. 
Billybeau1
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Close enough 
Billybeau1
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Low pH is almost always a CO<sub>2</sub> issue in the home. This article gives good advice on how to correct these issues.
Low pH: Causes and cures
http://reefkeeping.com/issues/2004-09/rhf/index.htm
Low pH: Causes and cures
http://reefkeeping.com/issues/2004-09/rhf/index.htm
I dose Kalkwasser with my ATO water.
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Los
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Back in 2003 or 2004 I had a batch of Instant Ocean that nuked my 240 gallon tank after a normal water change; killed off a bunch of animals. I was not a happy camper. I wrote to Instant Ocean and sent them a sample. They sent me new salt AND they paid for my animals. Apparently, they had a bad batch and it had nuked a lot of tanks. What really got me about it was that there was no recall. My LFS was not notified. They were letting that batch work through the system and had determined, presumably, that it was cheaper to pay the claims to the folks who identified the salt as the reason they had a die-off than to recall. In fairness to them, they did send me a check that covered all my animals. I guess in that respect they did stand behind their product. Still, it would be soooooo easy for them to put a lot number on every package.
Having a lot number, which can be as simple as a date code rubber stamp that someone manually stamps on each bucket or bag (but can easily be automated), would have saved countless hours of testing in this latest mishap and in my case would have saved a bunch of my cherished animals.
They are producing a product which can literally kill (animals, anyway) if they have a manufacturing problem and it's just poor standard operating procedure to not have lot numbers on the packaging.
(getting off of my soap box now)
Having a lot number, which can be as simple as a date code rubber stamp that someone manually stamps on each bucket or bag (but can easily be automated), would have saved countless hours of testing in this latest mishap and in my case would have saved a bunch of my cherished animals.
They are producing a product which can literally kill (animals, anyway) if they have a manufacturing problem and it's just poor standard operating procedure to not have lot numbers on the packaging.
(getting off of my soap box now)
Billybeau1
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Wow, quite a testimonial.
Instant Ocean has been satisfying customers for many years and your batch just happened to nuke your tank but no others. Hmmmm.
A lot of things chance in 4 years in this hobby. And IO is still one of the best, most used salt by reefers.
You are lucky they paid for what they paid for IMO. You may not be so lucky today with any manufacturer.
No salt manufacturer that I know of produces a salt mix that can "literally kill animals". They wouldn't stay in business very long.
You probably had an unfortunate circumstance back in 2004 which could have been caused by a number of things. Not necessarily the salt mix itself.
Instant Ocean has been satisfying customers for many years and your batch just happened to nuke your tank but no others. Hmmmm.
A lot of things chance in 4 years in this hobby. And IO is still one of the best, most used salt by reefers.
You are lucky they paid for what they paid for IMO. You may not be so lucky today with any manufacturer.
No salt manufacturer that I know of produces a salt mix that can "literally kill animals". They wouldn't stay in business very long.
You probably had an unfortunate circumstance back in 2004 which could have been caused by a number of things. Not necessarily the salt mix itself.
Los
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I don't want to get into a debate on this. It was not just my tank (as I mentioned before) and IO admitted the problem was on their end to me in writing. The issue was excessive alkalinity. I just checked my correspondence and this was on April 13, 2004.
Incidentally, I still use their salt and am a satisfied customer of theirs. That was not the point. The point of my note is that a simple lot number on each package would be a good thing to do and would save people from having to check every bag/box whenever a problem batch enters the market.
Incidentally, I still use their salt and am a satisfied customer of theirs. That was not the point. The point of my note is that a simple lot number on each package would be a good thing to do and would save people from having to check every bag/box whenever a problem batch enters the market.
Back in 2003 or 2004 I had a batch of Instant Ocean that nuked my 240 gallon tank after a normal water change;
There were some very high alkalinity batches of IO for a brief period a few years back. I tested some samples that folks sent me and confirmed it publicly here. Is that what you are talking abut? It was apparently not very widespread, but did cause some commotion.
I've used IO steadily for more than 10 years without any incident.
There were some very high alkalinity batches of IO for a brief period a few years back. I tested some samples that folks sent me and confirmed it publicly here. Is that what you are talking abut? It was apparently not very widespread, but did cause some commotion.
I've used IO steadily for more than 10 years without any incident.
BigJay
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I've been using Red Sea Coral Pro and have been considering a switch to RC.
Are the RC results more consistent overall? The RSCP alkalinity has been all over the board with every batch.
As for switching, is it safe to just use a new salt with the small weekly waterchanges, or should I do a larger one with the new salt?
Are the RC results more consistent overall? The RSCP alkalinity has been all over the board with every batch.
As for switching, is it safe to just use a new salt with the small weekly waterchanges, or should I do a larger one with the new salt?
reefCrawler
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under normal tank condition, will suggest a small amount weekly change to avoid shocking your live stocks.
Los
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<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=13551432#post13551432 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Randy Holmes-Farley
Back in 2003 or 2004 I had a batch of Instant Ocean that nuked my 240 gallon tank after a normal water change;
There were some very high alkalinity batches of IO for a brief period a few years back. I tested some samples that folks sent me and confirmed it publicly here. Is that what you are talking abut? It was apparently not very widespread, but did cause some commotion.
I've used IO steadily for more than 10 years without any incident.
That sounds about right as far as dates, but I can't say for sure. I remember it was impossible to get the mix to totally dissolve, if that helps. That should have been a clue to me not to put it in my tank and I take some responsibility for doing so.
Yes, in my tests it dissolved but then turned cloudy as calcium carbonate precipitated, and that would never redissolve.
fred fishstone
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I just tested a new bucket from DF&S. Here's what I got:
SG = 1.026
Ca = 440
Mag = 1260
Alk = 15.4 (dKH)
Do you guys think my Alk kit (Salifert) is off? It's dated 06-2012.
SG = 1.026
Ca = 440
Mag = 1260
Alk = 15.4 (dKH)
Do you guys think my Alk kit (Salifert) is off? It's dated 06-2012.
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