ReefBuddha
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tomorrow THE UN REPORT is released!
Reefkeepers Tackling Global Warming
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HippieSmell
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You won't respond because you never say anything worthwhile, it's just insults and links with you. Anybody with a computer can do that.
And here we go again...We aren't qualified to discuss the issue. Go back to American Idol people, don't concern yourself with things you can't understand :rolleye1: Some of us actually have science backgrounds and reading (and understanding :eek1: ) scientific papers isn't so mysterious. Why do you insist on trying to bully people into accepting theories because they supposedly don't have the mental faculties to understand? What do you think our elected officials do? Do you think they go and get climatology degrees from Cornell before voting on legislation? Heck no, it's people like Mike :eek1: , and me :hmm4: .
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HippieSmell
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All you have to say is "sorry, you people aren't dumb, and discussing a potential global disaster is good, even if you don't have climatology degrees". You might think my interpretation is inaccurate, but it's not just me.
Don't say things like:
If you don't understand how these comments might rub people the wrong way, then you need to have more contact with people to develop some social skills. Savvy?
Don't say things like:
If you don't understand how these comments might rub people the wrong way, then you need to have more contact with people to develop some social skills. Savvy?
ReefBuddha
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There's some places where you barely get the bait out of the can and the fish just start jumping into the boat it seems. Perhaps more amazing, is when they insist on doing it even when you're not fishing. 
United Nations Framework Convention on Climate Change.
Bloomberg story.link
United Nations Framework Convention on Climate Change.
Bloomberg story.link
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HippieSmell
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You truly are completely clueless. Have fun being an idiot.<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9139157#post9139157 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by ReefBuddha
There's some places where you barely get the bait out of the can and the fish just start jumping into the boat it seems. Perhaps more amazing, is when they insist on doing it even when you're not fishing.
ReefBuddha
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(chuckle) indeed. This gets better by the minute. And s/he still doesn't even realize we agree. Priceless[insert MC commercial here]. Yaknow Hipp, if all your miguided hostility could be harnessed for electricity, we might solve the energy crisis right now. Where's the 'eating popcorn' smiley when i need it? Somebody hook it up.
Back on topic though, today's ABC news feature: link
indeed. This gets better by the minute. And s/he still doesn't even realize we agree. Priceless[insert MC commercial here]. Yaknow Hipp, if all your miguided hostility could be harnessed for electricity, we might solve the energy crisis right now. Where's the 'eating popcorn' smiley when i need it? Somebody hook it up.Back on topic though, today's ABC news feature: link
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ReefBuddha
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HippieSmell
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We agree that GW is real, that isn't what annoys me. It annoys me that you're passive aggressive, insulting, arrogant, and don't even realize it.<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9143558#post9143558 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by ReefBuddha
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if you say so... I still think if you really understood my posts your hostility would feel rather miguided.
An off-topic thread on some obscure forum for reef geeks is hardly worth the mountain of hostility you've poured into it. I almost feel like I'm watching you court a stomach ulcer. Seems axhausting, I can't imagine. Stress is a killer yaknow...
And as easy as it appears, your buttons really only get pushed if you choose to allow them to be pushed. A mother once said there's always going to be people in the world who rub you the wrong way, but how you react and let them affect you makes all the difference.
Suit yourself though, this was definitely more entertaining than Seinfeld reruns. cya.
I still think if you really understood my posts your hostility would feel rather miguided.An off-topic thread on some obscure forum for reef geeks is hardly worth the mountain of hostility you've poured into it. I almost feel like I'm watching you court a stomach ulcer. Seems axhausting, I can't imagine. Stress is a killer yaknow...
And as easy as it appears, your buttons really only get pushed if you choose to allow them to be pushed. A mother once said there's always going to be people in the world who rub you the wrong way, but how you react and let them affect you makes all the difference.
Suit yourself though, this was definitely more entertaining than Seinfeld reruns. cya.
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Rosseau
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ReefBuddha, this isn't off topic. This part of the forum is all about this sort of thing... "Reef Geeks" probably have some understanding/appreciation for nature/science so this isn't so far off of the path.
The discussion may have gone a little awry. With the amount of data each of us can counter arguments with we can discuss in this matter for another 1000 pages, easily.
I don't think the criticism should be that we can't understand this and that we can't piece it all together and that we can't do anything about it, rather it should be to note how difficult it is to make a holistic argument or case either for or against global warming and everything in between.
Discussions like this are important.
…but yeah, fruit loops might help us all... the internet isn't always such a great place for arguments. does "bye now" mean we've lost you from this irrelevant thread forever?
I don't have the energy to start any more arguments on here..
The discussion may have gone a little awry. With the amount of data each of us can counter arguments with we can discuss in this matter for another 1000 pages, easily.
I don't think the criticism should be that we can't understand this and that we can't piece it all together and that we can't do anything about it, rather it should be to note how difficult it is to make a holistic argument or case either for or against global warming and everything in between.
Discussions like this are important.
…but yeah, fruit loops might help us all... the internet isn't always such a great place for arguments. does "bye now" mean we've lost you from this irrelevant thread forever?
I don't have the energy to start any more arguments on here..
ReefBuddha
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hehe, nope just sayin' bye to another.
I hear ya Ross, really. I'm not saying discussion is not important, and i'm sorry if it came across that way. I was encouraging discussion by creating threads on the subject. But i am trying to maintain a realistic perspective before everyone decides they are just as qualified on the topic as the climate scientists behind these UN reports.
I hear ya Ross, really. I'm not saying discussion is not important, and i'm sorry if it came across that way. I was encouraging discussion by creating threads on the subject. But i am trying to maintain a realistic perspective before everyone decides they are just as qualified on the topic as the climate scientists behind these UN reports.
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ReefBuddha
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I am sorry if I came off that way Hippie, and anyone else whom I may have offended. I obviously include myself in the 'reef geeks who are not remotely qualified to challenge UN reports' club , so naturally I'm not offended by the idea. Frankly I find it a bit odd that any reef geek would be ____ enough to think that they have answers that the best minds on the subject missed.
Which brings me to the reason behind my point. The reason I was drilling home the point about being unqualified, is that often there are some less, uh, 'aware' voices who casually claim that this science is a hoax, all hype, or something to that affect. I really didn't mean to suggest that all discussion is pointless, although I can see how it may have seemed that way. I certainly didn't mean to suggest that there was no value in the discussion that you guys were having, which was very informative. So again, I do apologize.
, so naturally I'm not offended by the idea. Frankly I find it a bit odd that any reef geek would be ____ enough to think that they have answers that the best minds on the subject missed.Which brings me to the reason behind my point. The reason I was drilling home the point about being unqualified, is that often there are some less, uh, 'aware' voices who casually claim that this science is a hoax, all hype, or something to that affect. I really didn't mean to suggest that all discussion is pointless, although I can see how it may have seemed that way. I certainly didn't mean to suggest that there was no value in the discussion that you guys were having, which was very informative. So again, I do apologize.
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awestruck
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Hi everyone, been tagging along again. I'm glad to see that emotions settled down a bit although it's certainly understandable for people to get upset--the entire concept of GW is a frightening. And here's a compliment to all: I'm relieved to hear the emotional responses because at least you care enough to GET EMOTIONAL! But remember, don't kill the messenger Anyway, I have a basic question I would like feedback on: Let's pretend for a minute that GW isn't an issue. However, as a species, how can we possibly justify harming our planet to the point of death? If AIDS and world hunger do not kill everyone, a dead planet surely will.
But remember, don't kill the messenger Anyway, I have a basic question I would like feedback on: Let's pretend for a minute that GW isn't an issue. However, as a species, how can we possibly justify harming our planet to the point of death? If AIDS and world hunger do not kill everyone, a dead planet surely will.What is a dead planet? Or do you mean one without humans? Do bacteria and insects exist? Or do you mean like the moon? No atmosphere and cold.
As for pretending Global Warming isn't a big issue, the latest from the UN says its inevitable and we can't stop it. So why not pretend its not an issue as we have no way to impact or change it.
As for pretending Global Warming isn't a big issue, the latest from the UN says its inevitable and we can't stop it. So why not pretend its not an issue as we have no way to impact or change it.
Rosseau
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We can't "stop" a lot of these things from happening, however we can affect to some degree their severity and direction... I think it's dangerous to think any differently.
Climate change acts steadily however in the past we do see times where rapid change occurs.. meaning there likely are "tipping points" if you will, at which the system can "flip" or change very drastically. To the point where we wouldn't even recognize it. So, reaching these threshold points may be inevitable, but I'm not convinced that humans can't affect how soon they are reached. The more prepared we are when this happens the better off we will be.
Although maybe not quite as stong, I do agree with Hippie in pinciple that people should get as deep of an understanding as they can with any issue the choose to advocate. I am tired of hearing the "catch phrases" being parroted back to me by people who have proxied their thinking. When someone says "A consensus of scientists" and I ask, "Name one?" they should be able to name at least one or the name of an organization at least.
Anyway, the reason I posted was to ask Hippie a question. You said that the US was a CO2 sink. I believe that it is due to the foilage right? I am curious why planting trees is not more predominantly mentioned as a way to reduce CO2. Any thoughts on this? Should it be? Would it work?
Mike
Anyway, the reason I posted was to ask Hippie a question. You said that the US was a CO2 sink. I believe that it is due to the foilage right? I am curious why planting trees is not more predominantly mentioned as a way to reduce CO2. Any thoughts on this? Should it be? Would it work?
Mike
ReefBuddha
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(chuckle)Sounds meaningless, imo. Anyone can google a name, so be my guest. There are plenty of climate scientists from around the world backing the UN report. Just go to the sites for the UN, Harvard, Yale, Cornell, or Stanford etc. science departments and no doubt there's a list.
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