ReefTank Fluid Mechanics

Bean
That is a super idea. The main reason for having a pump that can handle the pressure is so the discharge can be throttles to get the flow down below 1GPM without pushing the pump off its curve, and so you do not loose any flow due to the friction loss in the piping.

My MAG 7 is rated at 5.5 psi MAX (12.5 ft shut off head) that ain't much.

Here is a pump that might really be ideal. 3/4" inlet and outlet too.

http://www.iwakiamerica.com/nav/CMImage.aspxCMID=0&Name=IF20599_WMD-20RLZT-115.pdf
 
FWIW, Dr Schimek constructed a laminar flow tank and has been looking at how that flow affects animals. He will be presenting at IMAC in June.

My tank is set up as a lazy river. My two gorgonians and fan worms get turbulant laminar flow. Not quite what I experienced at 12 meters (36 feet) on the reef, but close enough.

Fred
 
The use of a piston type device (or large screw/stator) to move a large vulume of water back and forth to simulate laminar tidal flow on the reef.

Picture the 150 gallon tank with a 12" bulkhead at each end (covered with a screen) the bulkheads connect to:

either:

A: the ends of a 12" tube under the tank. The tube has a pushrod and piston in it. As the piston slowely moves from one end to the other, the water in the tank as drawn in one bulkhead while the water alread in the tube is expelled out the other. The larger and longer the tube, the more volume per cycle.

B: the same concept could bu achieved with a large rotor/stator that revereses directions to simulate the wave actions washing in and out every fre seconds.

Again not real complicated, but space and planning would be very important.
Bean
 
im at work right now and dont have time to read every single post but i wanted to show this pic of this setup im working on..

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its actually more completed now but those are the only pics i have on photobucket at the moment..

the dart moves water left to right and the return/overflow goes right to left..
 
Replicating "natural" flow patterns is the chief goal, but closed systems also require the following features.

1) Detritus suspension for feeding corals and export to the protein skimmer and or mechanical filter. Poor detritus suspension will allow it to settle in the substrate where it is harder to reduce or export. Upward laminar flow or strong circular flow will achieve this.

2) Move water from the substrate to the surface for gas exchange. Upward, laminar flow or strong circular flow is ideal.

3) Removal of coral mucous and sloughed off "skin". Captive reefs are missing the silent army of cleaner invertebrates and fish that keep corals healthy. While butterflies clean away dead coral tissue (necrosis) in the wild, they linger too long in aquarium conditions, and don't know when to stop "cleaning". Laminar and circular flow are less efficient in this aspect. Direct flow directed down at the rock formation is best, but at the cost of losing the more significant features. Although direct flow, aimed at corals, is the most common configuration in reef keeping, it promotes detritus settling, interferes with surface skimming and oxygenation, and turns your live rock into a mechanical filter as water is pushed through it.

4) Variable flow patterns to discourage corals from growing in one direction toward the flow of water and subsequent food. This can also be achieved with good laminar flow, as food is available from all directions. Oceans Motions makes a few devices that serve this purpose very well.

5) To provide the proper conditions for efficient surface skimming. Cross-flow and up-flow are best. An effluent line working against another, near the overflow box will break surface tension, causing the overflow to draw water from below the surface, allowing surfactants to form a film as they float around the tank in limbo.

It's easy to forget that the overflow box and closed loop influents are moving just as much water per hour as the effluent lines are. Circular and cross-flow will allow the two to work together for a wave effect.

Flow is a matter of quality, rather than quantity. It would be a lot easier to fine tune if we could see how it was acting and reacting. You can use dyes or fish food to trace flow patterns, but success is limited.

I find that a good system will skim all floating flake food within 15 seconds. The flake food that sinks should be kept suspended indefinitely, with little or no "dead spots".

Another test is to make sure you have good surface movement with just the closed loop on, with no return lines at or near the surface. Good circular or upward laminar flow will achieve this.

Open rock work will aid in achieving many of these goals, but live rock still remains a limiting factor.

I use a combination of circular and upward laminar flow, with Oceans Motions 4-Way wave makers. This tank has two Dart pumps and a Blueline 100 return (from sump) pump. Each Dart has its' own 4-Way with effluent lines moving water to the opposite end of the tank. The return lines on the bottom have 45 degree elbows and are arranged in a circle for a spiral ascent to the surface.

There are two clusters of three closed loop return lines located in the bottom of the tank in a circular pattern. The two closed loop intakes re lcated just off of the bottom to avoid sand intake.

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This is the end opposite from the overflow box. There are two sump returns located at the surface and two closed loop returns (from the pump at the opposing end), located at the bottom of the end panel.

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The top effluent is from the Blueline 100 pump on the sump and has a 45 degree elbow added. Before I added the elbow, the tank wouldn't surface skim properly as surface tension was broken by opposing flow. The bottom effluent is from the closd loop pump at the opposite end of the tank.

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Very good info, and sweet tank set ups as well.

I am leaning toward a set up with only one supply header, with 3 outlets arranged verticaly. The largest would be 1-1/4" the second 1" and the third would be 3/4" This would direct flow down the back wall of the tank, behind the central rockwork. The skimmer will have a supply header draws from the entire depth of the tank at the furthest point from the main flow header on the back wall.
The return header will be at a 90 degree angle from the supply on the corner, facing forward along the short side of the tank. It will have 1" inlets placed along its legnth from top to bottom with diffusers to protect the animals in the tank.

To protect the pump and to allow for changing the water flow during feeding, I will install a short curcuit line, probably 3?4" from the top of the supply header to the top of the return header with a 1?4 turn ball valve on it. This will allow me to throttle the flow from the pump however I need, without pushing the pump off of its curve, to achieve the water velocity I want.

FYI, I have no surface skimming or overflows in my tank.

Also, I will direct the flow with the rock work. I know this is kinda hard to visualize. I will make a schematic and post it.
 
Hmmm - I think some of the assumptions on flow on a reef are oversimplified.

Having spent time diving on lots of different reefs, I would say it is very complicated. There are tidal flows, surge flows from wave action, currents, thermocline flows, and all of these have complex interactions with things in their way, including the reef structures, the bottom etc.

Also, an aquarium stays about the same 24 hours a day in most cases - even with oscillating jets etc the flow patterns are repetitive. On a reef there is a great deal of variation during the day and night, and from day to day.

Nontheless, I think an atempt to get active water flow, with some significant changes in volume, velocity and direction are probably a good idea in captivity.

Lots of neat ideas on this site and in this post. Some very clever people in this hobby, and on this website. I would definitely design a nice surge system in my next tank.

You can't be too rich or too sexy. Or have too big a tank, or too much water flow. Or too many gadgets. Or too many days diving. Or.....
 
Scott

Anybody got any data on Hydrodynamics on a reef?

Just trying to help :D

Water flow is more important for corals than light. Part I
http://www.advancedaquarist.com/2006/6/aafeature2/view

Water flow is more important for corals than light. Part II
http://www.advancedaquarist.com/2006/11/aafeature

Water flow is more important for corals, Part III
http://www.advancedaquarist.com/2006/9/aafeature2/view

http://walrus.wr.usgs.gov/staff/cstorlazzi/

http://socrates.berkeley.edu/~mattr/Presentations_new.html

Biology and the Mechanics of the Wave-Swept Environment by Mark W. Denny

This book gets quite deep on the subject


http://www.amazon.com/Biology-Mecha...ef=sr_1_1/002-5875245-8340867?ie=UTF8&s=books
 
I like to keep are members educated :D I'd try to help you out Scott but I just don't have time to read the massive book by Denny and update my brain on fluid mechanics.
 
Great links and references Boomer. It really goes to show how much information you can get for free, and how much it can cost to obtain a specialty book. At over 400 pages, I'm sure it's worth every penny for the benthic invert book.
 
I'l let you know, if I remember, I just ordered it :) I beginning to think my book collection is getting to be worth more than my house :lol:
 
One thing for sure, if you keep the stuff in suspension, the animals will get it.

What I read in the AA articles is what turbulent flow does to the particles of food. If you watch the particles, you will see them drift close, then float around the corals due to the velocity changing rapidly as the particles proximity to the coral shrinks.

With laminar flow, at the right velocity, the food will drift much closer. Supposidly, based on the testing that was done, the corals respirations, nutrient uptake and trace element uptake increases also, thus, they grow more.
 
From stuff that Eric Borneman has posted, corals will also alter their growth form to adjust to current flow to maximize food capture. I suspect that this is true only in more laminar flow.

Cool book on benthic feeders boomer. Its in the local university library woohoo! Unfortunately its signed out until May. :mad2:

Fred
 
Fred

Yes Eric is correct but it is just not corals but many other inverts grow that orient themselves to current. Just laminar flow, no, as even turbulent flow will have a mean which they will orient to.


MAY !!! Some prof must have picked it up for a class or he does not want his class reading it, as they need to figure things out on their own :lol: I had profs that did the latter.


Scott from my links

Currents and suspended sediment transport on a shallow reef flat
http://walrus.wr.usgs.gov/staff/cstorlazzi/Ogston_MKK_CoralReefs.pdf

Wave Control on Reef Morphology and Coral Distribution
http://walrus.wr.usgs.gov/staff/cstorlazzi/WaveReefs_WAVES2001.pdf

Boundary layer turbulence and flow structure over a fringing coral reef
http://socrates.berkeley.edu/~mattr/Reidenbach_et_al_2006_L&O_Eilat_Physics.pdf

The effects of waves and morphology on mass transfer within branched reef corals
http://socrates.berkeley.edu/~mattr/Reidenbach et al L&O 2006 wave morphology.pdf



Some new stuff

Experimental tests of suspension feeding in Atlantic reef corals
http://reefcentral.com/forums/newreply.php?s=&action=newreply&threadid=1012210

Feeding Currents and Particle Capture Mechanisms in Suspension Feeding Animals
http://icb.oxfordjournals.org/cgi/content/abstract/24/1/71

Effects of water movement on prey capture and distribution of reef corals
http://www.springerlink.com/content/t5t22147776m4452/

RESOURCE AVAILABILITY AND SUSPENSION FEEDING BY GORGONIAN SOFT CORALS
http://www.aoml.noaa.gov/general/lib/CREWS/Cleo/St. Croix/salt_river113.pdf

Passive Suspension Feeding by an Octocoral in Plankton Patches
http://www.biolbull.org/cgi/reprint/180/1/81.pdf


Waayyyyy to deep in math
http://smig.usgs.gov/SMIG/features_0998/scdm_inline.html#I
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=8947180#post8947180 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Boomer
MAY !!! Some prof must have picked it up for a class or he does not want his class reading it, as they need to figure things out on their own :lol: I had profs that did the latter.
I always understood that was what the `recall' we could do at the UW library was for :D
 
I once had a prof Mark that actually went to the library and got books for our class. He kept them in his office locked up. A the daily lecture he would just read from the books :lol: Try and take notes from somebody reading from a book :(
 
Math me no likey. (Try calculating a Renolds number for a SCWD one time. My head still hurts)

I think I got a design to put this in practice.

Inverts growing to adjust to thier flow is pretty cool. I would think that the more laminar the better optimized they would be, but that they would get better regardless of the type.

I am gonna really work on a clean up crew this time. Getting it going so far with 5 cerith, 5 Turbos, 1 comb star, one Fighting Conch and a Mithrax crab. Very light feeding so I don't wanna add too many janitors too fast and starve them. My sand is dead, so the star is gonna help rather than hurt, so is the Conch. I have a P. freidmani, 2 A. ocellaris and a juvenile C altvelis. The grouper is gonna go away when he gets too larg. Right now, he is the smallest fish. No corals for a while. I wanna get the flow dialed in and let the tank mature for a few months first.

Im gonna start on the header this week end, so I'll have some pics soon.
 
I wanna get the flow dialed in and let the tank mature for a few months first.
Good choice. I did this with my most recent tank and am happy that I did.

Damn Boomer, thats a lot of good reading I am going to have to do now!

Fred
 
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