Refugium tips (formerly "flow rate thorugh a refugium")

Okay, I have read a lot of this thread...plus many others and I am still a big confused. Here is what I've got....

I currently have a 110 gallon saltwater tank with crushed coral substrate, approximately 140-150 pounds of live rock, a HOB protein skimmer, and canister filter (I have an inline UV light that I will be putting in place on the return side of my refugium that I am about to build). I am wanting to build a refugium in order to do away with the canister filter (if anyone thinks I can't use the refugium in place of the canister filer, please explain???). My cabinet doesn’t allow for much room below my tank and I can't locate the refugium anywhere else in the house (small house). The space I am working with is 36" wide, 14.5" deep, and 19" high. Would a 20 gallon refugium be big enough for my tank, or would I need at least a 30 gallon refugium? I was thinking about getting this 20 gallon tank from Petsmart... http://www.petsmart.com/product/index.jsp?productId=11164157&lmdn=Shape I have no plans to move my protein skimmer down inside the refugium. I was thinking I could simply get an old aquarium that will fit under the tank that would have 3 chambers. The first chamber would be where the water comes in from the overflow box, the second being the refugium, and the third would be my return going to the DT. Can anyone recommend an good/affordable overflow box and return pump that will work well together? Since it is only 13" high, what depeth of sand bed should I be aiming for? I was thinking if I made the refugium approximately 10" tall that I could have a sand bed in the 4-5" range. Is my logic flawed there? Should I try to make the refugium deeper or shallower? since I won't have my protein skimmer on the refugium, can I forgo putting in a bubble trap on my refugium? I don't see where I would be getting any bubbles in the system.

My single biggest question is what gph should I be looking for if I am putting in a 4-5" sand bed, a little liverock rubble, and I want to grow cheato??? I am thinking with about 12 gallons of the total 20 being the actual refugium, would I need about 175 gph? Would I need to subtract out the 4-5" that will be the sand bed and only count the water capacity???
 
My single biggest question is what gph should I be looking for if I am putting in a 4-5" sand bed, a little liverock rubble, and I want to grow cheato??? I am thinking with about 12 gallons of the total 20 being the actual refugium, would I need about 175 gph? Would I need to subtract out the 4-5" that will be the sand bed and only count the water capacity???

I wouldn't be getting worried about trying to match exact numbers for anything in this hobby as each system is going to be different.

fyi though, have a 145g display, 20g macro fuge about 1/3 full LR. Flow through the fuge is about 200gph and had slow growth with Chaeto. Added a 300 gph power head to mix things up and got way better growth (from a softball to basketball size ball of Chaeto every few weeks).
 
I am getting ready to set up a system. It will be 300 gal DT draining into a 75 gal fuge with a DSB, LR and macroalgae(cheato) then into a sump to process the water . The recomondations I am seeing here are to skim the water before the refugium. It seems to me the system would be most efficient with the maximum nutrient load going directly into the refugium prior to protein skimming. Does anybody do it like this?
 
FishDad2, It was nice to see an update regarding the changes that you made. It is always helpful to see the ongoing results of modifications made to our systems.
 
Hi Anthony, I hope I am not imposing too much. I have read the thread on sump flow and design and got lots of good info. I have a question about my current build. It will be a 150 tall (72x18x27) softies and LPS dominant with a 75 gallon sump. I plan on drilling three 1.5" holes in the display for a beananimal overflow. 2 with gate valves for siphon effect and excess and one for emergency backup. Have not yet selected a skimmer any suggestions for a budget restricted person? For return pump I was thinking Eheim 1262 which I plan to run over the top of the display and split into two return outlets. Will add Hydor Koralia powerheads in display to augment waterflow, any suggestions on how many? Have a sump design, how do I attach it?
 
I got a 40 gallon breeder drilled in the bottom with a pipe stand overflow off of craigslist for $100, got a mag 5 plumbed from my sump into the fug. Lit with one of those rectangular cheap chinese LED fixtures. Put some live rock around the stand pipe, and now remove huge amounts of chaeto and caulerpa weekly. Also have snails reproducing and huge amounts of pods. This all for my two 200 gallon tanks. One working on SPS, the other established mixed fish/LPS tank. Thinking of going larger gallon wise in the future.
 
I got a 40 gallon breeder drilled in the bottom with a pipe stand overflow off of craigslist for $100, got a mag 5 plumbed from my sump into the fug. Lit with one of those rectangular cheap chinese LED fixtures. Put some live rock around the stand pipe, and now remove huge amounts of chaeto and caulerpa weekly. Also have snails reproducing and huge amounts of pods. This all for my two 200 gallon tanks. One working on SPS, the other established mixed fish/LPS tank. Thinking of going larger gallon wise in the future.
what's your nitrate and phosphate readings
 
Phosphate .06 hana checker, do run 1/2 a BRS reactor of GFO changed monthly as well.

Nitrate .01, just above 0 on Salifert test

These have fallen slowly as the fuge has grown in over the last 12 months.

Do 40 gallon water changes monthly.
 
Hi Anthony, I hope I am not imposing too much. I have read the thread on sump flow and design and got lots of good info. I have a question about my current build. It will be a 150 tall (72x18x27) softies and LPS dominant with a 75 gallon sump. I plan on drilling three 1.5" holes in the display for a beananimal overflow. 2 with gate valves for siphon effect and excess and one for emergency backup. Have not yet selected a skimmer any suggestions for a budget restricted person? For return pump I was thinking Eheim 1262 which I plan to run over the top of the display and split into two return outlets. Will add Hydor Koralia powerheads in display to augment waterflow, any suggestions on how many? Have a sump design, how do I attach it?

FWIW A. Calfo hasn't posted on this board since around 2011 and hasn't been active on here since well before that.
 
Phosphate .06 hana checker, do run 1/2 a BRS reactor of GFO changed monthly as well.

Nitrate .01, just above 0 on Salifert test

These have fallen slowly as the fuge has grown in over the last 12 months.

Do 40 gallon water changes monthly.
suggest using Rowaphos as a gfo....will bring phosphates down to zero in less than a week
 
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