Regal Angel Primer

HOZERTHEBONEFISH said:
I am happy to report that my regal is eating. Not vigorously but eating

Excellent. Now the big challenge will be getting the two together.

I guess I must be an optimist, as as soon as I saw my Regal start to nibble at some rocks after about an hour in the tank, despite being harassed at that stage by about 1/2 the fish in the tank, I had a gut feeling he was going to be OK, even though I was still nervous about getting it to eat my food.

Steve
 
szwab said:
can you guys post with how long you've had you regals? I've seen a lot of new aquisitions just wondering how many are still doing well.

thanks

6 Months & was going very very well, but in the last 6 weeks has become very shy & does not eat with the gusto of before.

I have tried all different foods, at most it will eat 2-3 bites of clam(pipi) in a day. It has lost a LOT of weight.

I have no idea why the sudden change to not feeding. I seemingly went from the boss of the tank to the shyest overnight.

I will be getting more mysis tonight, but it will not touch brine or any other free floating foods & is now too scared to eat from my fingers as before.
 
Greg
Thank you so much for your answers, advise and insight. Your feat is truly amazing. I hope to learn more from you as the thread continues.

BTW Where can I mail order the pro V frozen food? I had some problems finding it on the google search. Kept coming up with hair gel/shampoo.

Kirk
Glad to hear your fishes are more interested in food. Good job!

Steve
You are a lucky fellow. Looks like you have a very healthy and active regal.

ddr
Best of luck in getting your regal to eat and fatten up.


My latest update: He is eating a bit better than yesterday. Looks more alert. He still has lesions on tail fin and dorsal fin(lymphocystis I would guess, doesnt look small like ich)
 
HOZERTHEBONEFISH said:
Steve
You are a lucky fellow. Looks like you have a very healthy and active regal.

Lucky so far and perhaps lucky to be an optimist. ddr's current problems would tend to indicate that despite my luck so far, it is still a long way to go before I can actually claim real success.

One thing that is obvious from what Greg and others have written is the importance of diet, not just to keep the fish fat but to keep it healthy (not the same thing) enough to ward of disease. It also seems that variety might be very important for a fish that normally wanders about nibbling at all sorts of things.

One thing is certain, the rest of the fish in my tank are really enjoying my experiments to see what the Regal might like to eat. I tried my fist attempt at a DIY frozen food mix last night and was mobbed, but I still donââ"šÂ¬Ã¢"žÂ¢t know if this is going to be adequate over the long haul.

Steve
 
HOZERTHEBONEFISH said:
Greg
Thank you so much for your answers, advise and insight. Your feat is truly amazing. I hope to learn more from you as the thread continues.

BTW Where can I mail order the pro V frozen food? I had some problems finding it on the google search. Kept coming up with hair gel/shampoo.


"Pro V 100% vegetable food" is a brand of "Pro Salt" and is manufactured by Mid-Jersey Pet Supply in Rahway, NJ 07065.

The ingredients listed in order of magnitude are:

wakame, ulva, culerpa, spirulina algae, spinach, collard greens, kale, peas, carrots, zucchini, alfalfa meal, agar, zeaxanthin, beta carotene.

Then there is a whole list of added vitamins, minerals, and amino acids. IMO & IME it's one of the best of the frozen foods, especially for angels and tangs.

I've tried to attach a picture but frozen food doesn't scan very well and I'm limited in picture size by RC. :)

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Greg
 
Henry,

It took some time, but was able to find Pro-V on the following web page:

www.prosalt.com

Greg, If this is not the same product you are referring to, please correct me, and I apologize in advance.

Kirk
 
Greg,

I do have a question for you. After reading the ordering information on prosalt.com web site, it appears the minimum order amount is 1200.00 !!!

I am going to check with my LFS, but I would like to know where you purchased your food from?

Thanks
Kirk
 
Sounds like a good product. Unfortunately it is never likely to be available in NZ due to our biosecurity regulations (freeze dried probably OK but frozen is out). Looks like I will be making another batch of frozen food up. During summer there will be a plentiful supply of fresh ulva nearby, so it might pay to wait a couple of months till then.

Greg, one question:

For many years I have fed my fish live mosquito larvae, which I capture near a local seal colony, wash, then store in the refrigerator. They stay alive for ages without hatching when stored this way and have always been enthusiastically received, including be the Regal. Are these likely to be actually beneficial or are they more likely to be like sweets, popular just because they taste nice, but not actually doing much good?

Steve
 
It figures my regal has an expensive taste. When I get seafood to eat I always give the regal sum. It didn't care much for snow crab legs but it sure did like king crab legs.:)
 
Wow, it's great to see how this thread has developed! I posted originally back on page 2 a year and a half ago!

Greg Scheimer, it's great to see you participating here, and you've been an inspiration to all regal fans and owners.

I now have a trio of regals in my display system, getting along well after establishing a hierarchy. Aggression appears to be much less than seen when mixing other large angel species. I unfortunately lost my stereotypical male regal that graced the cover of Reefcentral's home page last September after the unbelievably stressful move to our new house in Dec/Jan. This fish, pictured in my avatar, had a beautiful long gill spine that apparently as we seem to believe signifies a male. I'll post close-up pictures later, but I believe I have at least two females, and possibly all three. If I see another specimen like my old one talked about above I'll jump on it, but I'm in no rush and am excited to see the dynamics of their interactions play out.

There are two around 5 inches, and the third is noticibly smaller at around 3.5 inches. One of the 5 inchers was in the system for months before adding the smaller specimen, with the third being added a few weeks behind that one. Aggression showed towards the small one was evident but minimal, as she quickly learned her place and kept her distance from the original one, and continues to this day, except during feeding time as you'll see in the pictures. The third specimen became the dominant fish within a week of its introduction. I'm thinking this to possibly be a male... while it's gill spine is a bit in between, its body is more elongated and less full than the large full bodied female. I've seen no aggression that's made me consider pulling any of them out yet, and for a while now they've been getting along. I'm excited to see how thing play out in the future, and plan on upgrading again as I had this house built to house a 600-700 gallon display tank which is just a couple of years away depending on a few factors:) .

Some pointers I could give after a few years of personal experience with these guys...

Quarantine- I've seen this brought up in this and other threads, and in my opnion people use hospital and quarantine systems almost interchangably. If your quarantine consists of a 10 or 20 gallon with a sponge filter and a pvc pipe... don't quarantine your regal!:D People mistakenly think the primary purpose of quarantine is to keep disease from your display, but to me that's at the bottom of the list. I have a 6 foot "frag tank" that I have divided with egg crate into divisions with live rock loaded with algaes, sponges, and other microlife. I use these sections for certain new fish (regals, moorish idol), allowing them to settle into an establsihed system with NO competition, NO beligerant tankmates, and plenty of food sources to pick on before they figure out that that stuff floating by is food. Remember, regal angels feed from the reef and are not planktivores. Having it sequestered allows you to throw different foods at them without competition, and having alternate food sources allows them to keep their stomach full until they decide to eat. Keep in mind, you want them to get SOMETHING in their stomach AS SOON AS POSSIBLE. Worry about diets and Bob's super sponge food later. What's worked with many fish for me, and really with regals is fresh clams and mussels... they are nearly irresistable. One of mine eat only these for weeks... were it not for it being seperate the clam would be gone too quickly. Also, keeping them seperate allows you to treat them if necessary for parasites or anything... one of mine was very lethargic and I thought it a goner... I noticed a fluke on its eyeball and gave a freshwater dip, resulting in about 20 more coming off of its gills... the next day it was happy. Again, if this fish were thrown into the display I would not have been able to do this...

Remember, a calm relaxed fish is a happy fish, and our display tanks are not a calm and relaxed place to go. It's good to toughen them up, get them fat, and get them not only eating but eating well. I use and mentioned long ago in this thread the method of using a turkey baster to selectively feed certain fish more than others (the tangs can work off the liverock!:D ).

Many people also talk about letting the fish settle into the LFS tank first, but as time goes on I think differently. I think the best route for success with a regal is to get it into your hands as soon as you can out of the ocean, assuming you are placing it into a good environment, even if it ISN'T eating. Ideally, we'd all find them eating and ready to go, but many times that's not the case. I've ordered from Liveaquaria and gotten regals locally. Despite what any online vendor says, my experience has been that I highly doubt they verify EVERY fish is eating before they ship. I love Liveaquaria and highly recommend them, even for regals. Unfortunately at most LFS they do not receive the time needed, variety of food offered, and environment with alternate food sources that they should.

I really think that given the proper care and handling, the majority of regals could adapt to captivity. One thing to beware of is large regals... in the 7-8" range and up... these appear to be much tougher to get to feed... seemingly obvious but something that's been quite evident as I've seen many of these come in. Also, regarding the Pacific/Red Sea debate I doubt it's due to the color of their chest or the place they're from. I think it's due purely to collection methods, time in transit, and handling. The Red Sea sets the standard it appears as I see shipments come in directly from around the world at a local wholesaler here... the Pacific regals are already a step behind when they get in here... If you see a healthy blue chester go for it... while not as vibrant as the Red Sea variety, all good regals deserve a good home!

I seem to have rambled on a bit, but I always find fisthand information the best and offer it where I can... after all if we went by what all the books said none of us would be keeping regals... Now, I'll just shut up and offer a few photos I took last night with flash under actinics of my trio feeding...

Copps




And a cool shot looking down the tank at the three of them under actinics...
 
John- all i can say is WOW! those are amazing pics!

we will have to talk once i get my new tank setup and running....

you should really start a thread, the tank is wonderful!

anyway nice regals (i think you are the first to house a trio)!

so you think that the key is getting them straight out of the ocean and not having them "sit" in the LFS?

thanks for taking the time, a very educated post, with greta info! and nice pics!

Nick
 
nctangman said:
Henry,

It took some time, but was able to find Pro-V on the following web page:

www.prosalt.com

Greg, If this is not the same product you are referring to, please correct me, and I apologize in advance.

Kirk

That is the company that manufactures Pro-V. It's listed on one of the "products" pages.

Greg
 
John,

Great post and pictures.

I see you still use a turkey baster for feeding. Do you expect to have to always use it?

Steve
 
nctangman said:
Greg,

I do have a question for you. After reading the ordering information on prosalt.com web site, it appears the minimum order amount is 1200.00 !!!

I am going to check with my LFS, but I would like to know where you purchased your food from?

Thanks
Kirk

Luckily I'm able to purchase it locally. Absolutlely Fish in Clifton, NJ recently started carrying it, at my request. Country Critters in Patchogue, NY also sells it.

I suggest contacting Pro Salt and asking for suggestions on local or mail order sources. It's worth hunting down. I suspect that it would hold up well in shipping too because it takes a long time to defrost. In fact, I use a hammer and chisel to break off chunks!

Greg
 
Steve Atkins said:
Sounds like a good product. Unfortunately it is never likely to be available in NZ due to our biosecurity regulations (freeze dried probably OK but frozen is out). Looks like I will be making another batch of frozen food up. During summer there will be a plentiful supply of fresh ulva nearby, so it might pay to wait a couple of months till then.

Greg, one question:

For many years I have fed my fish live mosquito larvae, which I capture near a local seal colony, wash, then store in the refrigerator. They stay alive for ages without hatching when stored this way and have always been enthusiastically received, including be the Regal. Are these likely to be actually beneficial or are they more likely to be like sweets, popular just because they taste nice, but not actually doing much good?

Steve

Treats. There's no way mosquito larvae contain the essential marine fatty acids required by our tropical fish.

Greg
 
nctangman said:
Henry,

It took some time, but was able to find Pro-V on the following web page:

www.prosalt.com

Greg, If this is not the same product you are referring to, please correct me, and I apologize in advance.

Kirk

BTW, here is a picture of one of my regal angels eating Pro V from a clip. Sorry about the picture. It's limited by RC's 40KB maximum size.

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Greg
 
GSchiemer said:
Treats. There's no way mosquito larvae contain the essential marine fatty acids required by our tropical fish.

Greg
And so they shall remain. Although I have collected them for years, I now mainly only collect them to feed to my Tubastrea, which I found not only rather likes them but has been growing well on them. However, since I am set up with a variety of foods for the Regal, I will try some them on the Tubastrea as well.

Steve
 
Regal Angels can occur singly, in pairs or in harems (less common), so it is possible to keep more than one in the same aquarium, assuming it's large enough. The longer opercular spine can indicate a male, but it's not always obvious on young fish. The biggest obstacle is finding two or more healthy fish. Despite some of the successes witnessed here, these are still very delicate fish and even with the best of care two out of three won't make it long term in the aquarium.

Although Red Sea fish are typically handled better than Indo-Pacific imports, IME & IMO the Red Sea regal angels are inherently better fish. Even the regals that are hand-caught in Fiji don't fare well in captivity. In fact, I don't know anyone keeping an Indo-Pacific regal long-term. Personally I would never purchase one of these fish. Why increase the odds that are already against you by buying a fish with a terrible reputation for surviving in captivity.

Greg
 
Here's a close-up of the regal angel in my 500 gallon reef. I'll try to add a picture of the one in my 40 gallon reef later.

Greg

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Ps: Anyone know why my pictures don't appear in the thread, only the link? I so much prefer the picture posting system on RDO.
 
Ok i have a 62 gal 36x20x20 would a flame that is in my tank bother the Regal lots or you think i'm pushing it.

i have lps caps and clams in the tank.

mike
 
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