Responsibly wild caught vs. tank raised?

[Aescleah]

ok i have to put in my two cents here. i hate the idea of paying more for a fish or a coral i busted my ar$e for what i did have,but making the hobby only for the rich isnt fair either. why if your your urges to buy something out wieghs your respect and consideration for other living things whats a little money.

btw i have always been a big fan of captive bred fish not all my stock has been captive but a great many were.

ps i have only went over 1 page of this monster thread, but i could not keep my mouth shut


Ashley

 

[cortez marine]

Ashley,
Thanks for the 2 cents of comment.
Especially this one;

....."why if your your urges to buy something out wieghs your respect and consideration for other living things whats a little money..."

Where can we send the change?
s

 

[knowse]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=6465217#post6465217 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Aescleah
ok i have to put in my two cents here. i hate the idea of paying more for a fish or a coral i busted my ar$e for what i did have,but making the hobby only for the rich isnt fair either. why if your your urges to buy something out wieghs your respect and consideration for other living things whats a little money.

btw i have always been a big fan of captive bred fish not all my stock has been captive but a great many were.

ps i have only went over 1 page of this monster thread, but i could not keep my mouth shut


Ashley

What the heck did you say? Do you mean you don't want to spend more money for ethicly caught fish and coral? Do you mean you, like 90% of Americans have to work for a living and buying sw is expensive? Well, why didn't you just say that?

I work hard for my money too but it is worth it to me to spend a little more to know that some some poor fisher in PI is getting his fair share of the pie for catching me a fish with out the use of cyanide.

No one is trying to make this a hobby just for the rich. What's trying to be done (in a nutshell version) helping the reefs in third world countrys WHILE making a sustainable living for those that use the reef resources for their livihood AND ethical for the rest of us nimrods to enjoy the bounties of those reefs.

Steve, just give her a full refund.

 

[Aescleah]

lol ok it was late when i wrote that. yes i would and have paid extra to have a fish i knew was net caught. and will continue to always do it that way cause i hate having a fish i just bought die its heart breaking. what i meant was making fish and corals more expensive to make people think about what they are doing and make them apprecate what they are getting will not work its about respect, patience and consideration for others all the money in the world can not give you that .
the stupid people who have more money will still be doing the same thing. personally i think people like that come and go from the hobby watching fish and inverts die constantly would become to much. to much money to much of a headache and no reward or instant gratifaction which we all know is so important to our society. /rolls her eyes

there are also times when some places i have dealt with are down right dishonest or the fishes way of getting caught can not be traced. i have found captive bred fish are a wonderful alternative and will always look for that option first despite of the lack of variety. lol i had a dottyback that lived in a tank for 5 days in 30 degree water cause of a icestorm knocking out the power that was captive bred. you cant beat that with a stick lol well maybe you could.

as for those third world countries everyone has to do their part yes the fishermen need to make a living to support there families without destroying the reefs. the people they sell the fish to need to pay a good wage for net caught fish and the people who export those fish need to only take fish that are not caught with cyanide or animals that do not do well in captiity. the goverment needs to enforce the rules that are and will be set. we the aquarists need stop looking at things just as a consumer from a capitalistic country. (i could go on and on about that this is the simple short version) those are just the simple and idealistic parts of it. human nature is not always that simple. bah the person who said there should be a temporary ban was possibly right maybe we all need a time out.

Ashley

 

[bngowe]

IF there is anyone to blame. .. blame the creators of the movie "Nemo" for causing everyone to want a clownfish (even though the point of the movie was to free nemo rather than collect them for our own collection). I find that raising the prices of the fish would just make reefing more for those who are in the class that can afford it, rather than keeping it out of irresponsible hands. truthfully, after the movie, clownfish in general seemed to raise in price. Before, I saw tomato clowns for around10 bucks, but after the movie, they were going for 19.99-29.99 each. Price cant be used as a factor for irrespoinsiblity. if anything, the fish store should be the one educating the customers, tellling them the difficulty level and care for saltwater, rather than just sellling anyone a clownfish, that would end up living in a goldfish bowl.

 

[bngowe]

IF there is anyone to blame. .. blame the creators of the movie "Nemo" for causing everyone to want a clownfish (even though the point of the movie was to free nemo rather than collect them for our own collection). I find that raising the prices of the fish would just make reefing more for those who are in the class that can afford it, rather than keeping it out of irresponsible hands. truthfully, after the movie, clownfish in general seemed to raise in price. Before, I saw tomato clowns for around10 bucks, but after the movie, they were going for 19.99-29.99 each. Price cant be used as a factor for irrespoinsiblity. if anything, the fish store should be the one educating the customers, tellling them the difficulty level and care for saltwater, rather than just sellling anyone a clownfish, that would end up living in a goldfish bowl.

 

[Aescleah]

i think the sad thing is the price went up cause people thought there might be more of a demand for marine fish. its all about greed. for instance during the holidays what do merchants do they raise the price on things sorta like july 4th and gas prices.

Ashley

 

[ethanriley]

As a Pet store owner for three years I can tell you high prices on fish are often indicative of high mortality rates in the countries from which they come. Often the species is dificult to catch because of depth of water or habitat it lives in as a result many are injured and die during capture these are often beautiful species where the demand is high so price goes up. Any fish store owner can tell you one of the greatest stresses in keeping a fish store is the mortality rate in shipping. I am more in favor of captive bred fish species despite the higher price because mortality is greatly reduced and yes profits are better because fewer fish die. As far as education. I have refused customers that want to place livestock in adverse conditions and truth is most of the fish stores that survive do advse their customers well. the reality is there are schmucks who just don't get that they can't always do what they want to do they lie to the LFS and liestck dies. Ask any store owner when they began their maintenance business as an offshoot to the retail ow many customers they found "lying" about what they do with their tanks and stock. It will amaze you. As global warming continues and the reefs die we have a resonsibility to perserve species and become the "zoo's" of the oceans. Just as all fisheries are threatened with extinction soon the trade in Hawaii Fiji and other third world cotres will become extinct. It is a sad law of economics

 

[onereefnotenuf]

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someday i think all fish will be captive bred. price will probly remain super high as compared to freshwater fish. which will also keep the amatures out of the salt.

btw, i love freshwater fish as well. i have a 14 inch clown knife fish [/B][/QUOTE]

how do you equate lack of funds to being an amateur? I have seen plenty of people with money to burn getting into this hobby without any knowledge of what they are doing. I bet that there are more fish/coral killed by rich"amateurs" than poor ones if only because they can afford more to kill. I have also seen less privileged people who spend a lot less who care much more for the animals they have because they can't afford to replace them and take good care of what they have.