Rid-Ich+

[otrlynn]

t5Nitro, I'm glad your fish made it through the dip okay. I am sure that you are confused by the somewhat conflicting advice you are receiving. Unfortunately there is not always one "right" answer. There are many experienced people who use hyposalinity without dips for ich. I did this successfully for a Kole Tang about 2 months ago. If you feel uncomfortable with the dip, then don't use it but continue bringing down the salinity in the tote. There is no way to do it other than "add RODI, then measure". You should be well on your way to 1.009 if you started yesterday. Don't decide to throw some rid ich in your tote at a half dose, while in the process of dropping the salinity--there is no reason to believe it would help anything and it could be harmful to the fish.

 

[abulgin]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=13078710#post13078710 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by otrlynn
t5Nitro, I'm glad your fish made it through the dip okay. I am sure that you are confused by the somewhat conflicting advice you are receiving. Unfortunately there is not always one "right" answer. There are many experienced people who use hyposalinity without dips for ich. I did this successfully for a Kole Tang about 2 months ago. If you feel uncomfortable with the dip, then don't use it but continue bringing down the salinity in the tote. There is no way to do it other than "add RODI, then measure". You should be well on your way to 1.009 if you started yesterday. Don't decide to throw some rid ich in your tote at a half dose, while in the process of dropping the salinity--there is no reason to believe it would help anything and it could be harmful to the fish.

You call it conflicting advice, I call it different opinions. That's what this all is (or should be)--opinions on treatment based on what the poster has tried (rather than just read). It is incumbent upon all of us to make informed decisions, based on individual research, an understanding of what does (or may) and does not (or may not) work, and our individual situation. Some cases of ich may be very superficial and you may have some time. Others, where the fish is clearly distressed, call for quick and drastic action.

There are several methods that work, that we know. We all just have to make our own decisions/risks.

Freshwater dips are industry standard--not just for trating disease but as a general prophylactic measure. Fish response differs, but generally a fish should not croak from a 5 minute dip.

And, while freshwater ich and saltwater ich are definitely different, they are equally killed by copper and formalin.

 

[cloak]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=13078706#post13078706 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by kau_cinta_ku
just so you know, FW ich is diff. than SW ich.

In what ways? I don't think the medicine discriminates.

 

[kau_cinta_ku]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=13080714#post13080714 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by cloak
In what ways? I don't think the medicine discriminates.

ich is different in FW than it is in SW I am not saying "all" meds won't work on both but some will treat FW ich but not even touch SW ich and so fourth. but yes there are some meds like copper that will kill both types.

 

[cloak]

Other than the water being salty, why is it different?

 

[abulgin]

They are different parasites that manifest similarly. I think that after 16 years of keeping fish you know this . . .

It's like saying "why are the chickenpox and measels different?" A google search will give you all the info and more.

 

[cloak]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=13082245#post13082245 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by abulgin
They are different parasites that manifest similarly. I think that after 16 years of keeping fish you know this . . .

It's like saying "why are the chickenpox and measels different?" A google search will give you all the info and more.

Are you kidding me?

 

[abulgin]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=13084163#post13084163 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by cloak
Are you kidding me?

I was going to ask you the same question above but decided I would give a thoughtful answer.

Which part of my previous post do you think I was kidding about? It seems you know the answer to your question. So instead of posting cryptic questions, why don't you help out? Google--you will easily find sufficient information on the parasite that is freshwater ich and the parasite that is crypt.

 

[abulgin]

Freshwater ich is a protozoan disease that is often called "white spot disease". The scientific name for the disease is ichthyophthiriasis and the causative agent is Ichthyophthirius multifiliis.

Marine ich, otherwise known as "Crypt", is caused by a ciliate protozoan known as Cryptocaryon irritans.

 

[cloak]

So if a heater malfuntioned in the middle of winter, temperatures dropped rapidly, wouldn't something like that be reason enough to possibly bring on a case of ich? Whether it's a frehwater tank or saltwater tank?

Chardonnay, burgundy, chablis, Pinot Noir, it's all wine. No matter how you cut it.

 

[abulgin]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=13086826#post13086826 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by cloak
So if a heater malfuntioned in the middle of winter, temperatures dropped rapidly, wouldn't something like that be reason enough to possibly bring on a case of ich? Whether it's a frehwater tank or saltwater tank?

Chardonnay, burgundy, chablis, Pinot Noir, it's all wine. No matter how you cut it.

Ich is not caused by stress. Ich that is present in a system but is dormant may become a problem because of a stresser. If you quarantine your fish and have no ich in your system in the first place, then no amount of stress is going to bring on ich.

Why are we talking about freshwater ich anyway?

 

[abulgin]

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