RO/DI System

fishsticks4sale

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i just purchased a 7 stage ro/di system dual membrane system, with booster pump. i get roughly 80-85 psi with the pump and my water waste to good is 1:1. i was wondering what will happen if i add another membrane??? will i have more good water being produced compared to waste? will i have like
.5 gallon waste to 1 gallon good??
 
not really considering when running dual membrane its required to have a minimum of 65psi to be most efficient. im avg 80, some reviews customers stated getting 90 psi with their pumps. as long as u have the 1:1 ratio and your not over 90 your good. im just trying to find out what if i add another membrane how will i benefit, if i benefit at all?
 
First - remember that what folks call "waste water" really would be better thought of as "flush water" in that this water serves the important purpose of internally flushing the surface of the semipermeable membrane to keep the membrane from fouling/scaling.

When you configure a system with two membranes in series (the waste from the first membrane going to the "in" port on the second membrane), for this discussion let's say it's two 75 gpd membranes, the system behaves like you have a single long (75 gpd x 2) 150 gpd membrane.

Now - if you use a proper flow restrictor, that is, one for a 150 gpd membrane, you'll have about a 4:1 waste to product ratio. Sounds familiar, right?

If however you don't change the flow restrictor - meaning you keep using the same restrictor you were using when you just had one 75 gpd membrane, then you'll see a waste to product ratio much lower than 4:1. But remember that the recommendation for a ~4:1 ratio comes from the membrane manufacturer. They are telling you that you need about a 4:1 ratio to keep the membrane flushed and keep the membrane from fouling or building up scale. Run the system with a lower ratio and you will foul/scale the membrane(s) quicker than would have otherwise been the case.

Instead of adding a second membrane to lower that ratio, you could have just changed out your flow restrictor ($4) instead. A much less expensive approach to get you to the same endpoint in terms of saving on waste water.

Now, to confuse things just a bit. Filmtec specs call for the 4 to 1 ratio on the basis of assumptions about the water that will be supplied to the membrane. If you have very soft water you MAY be able to get a decent service life from the membrane running at a ratio lower than 4 to 1 (e.g., 3 to 1). Remember that the waste water from the first membrane is about 25% harder than your tap water.

Bottom line: If what you are after is reduced waste water, experiment with a different flow restrictor for $4 instead of messing around with a second membrane plumbed in series.

As a side note, you can also lower the ratio by increasing the pressure delivered to the membrane (with a booster pump), because flow restrictors are sized assuming you are providing factory spec conditions (50 psi and 77 degrees for Filmtec membranes). Increase the pressure and you'll drive more water through the membrane and viola - less waste water. But as I mentioned above, if you do this (just like over-restricting a membrane) - the lower the waste to product ratio, the shorter the lifespan on the membrane.

Makes sense?

Russ
 
damn russ u broke it down lol, thanks man. where can i purchase flow restrictors?? is the restrictor the small plastic piece that sits inside the waste line coming out of the membrane?
 
i found this stuff...

vhttp://www.spectrapure.com/St_replac_p3.htm

now i just get a flow restrictor thats lower than 75gpd correct?
for example i would replace the one i have now sitting in my single membrane that has a 3:1 ratio 75gpd with the (FR-40) in the link so it makes it 40gpd? = more restriction?
also i do have a booster motor on order, should put me up to 90psi.
since i already ordered my 2nd membrane can i still add the flow restrictor ex: FR-40 and maybe get better than 1:1. maybe .5:1
 
is the restrictor the small plastic piece that sits inside the waste line coming out of the membrane?

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Yes sir.
 
now i just get a flow restrictor thats lower than 75gpd correct?
for example i would replace the one i have now sitting in my single membrane that has a 3:1 ratio 75gpd with the (FR-40) in the link so it makes it 40gpd? = more restriction?

Correct. However, remember that in most cases "...the lower the waste to product ratio, the shorter the lifespan on the membrane."



also i do have a booster motor on order, should put me up to 90psi.
since i already ordered my 2nd membrane can i still add the flow restrictor ex: FR-40 and maybe get better than 1:1. maybe .5:1

Sure - you could do this, but "...the lower the waste to product ratio, the shorter the lifespan on the membrane." So we really can't recommend the kinds of ratios you refer to here.
 
But he is an excellent supplier of all equipment associated with RO/DI.

yea no lie, i finally kinda understand how ro/di systems work. i would ask on forums about how systems work and really didnt get a good answers, but now i understand how the ro membrane works.
also i wanted to post a quick pic of my set up, dont mind the garage its terrible lol.

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hot damn lol is that a 3/4 hp motor???? that thing is a monster.
i meant over 90 for the 8800 motor, but for yours i dont know 120 psi man u must have good water production? what is your ratio with that dual membrane?
 
Since y'all are posting pictures of your RO systems, here's mine at work. 20,000 gallons per day of 800 k-ohm-cm permeate, 5 and 7 HP pumps, 30 Filmtec BW30-4040 membranes, 80% recovery ratio, net driving pressure of 160 psi in the first pass and 210 psi in the second pass.

Yeah, I know, I'm evil. Just couldn't resist. :-)
 

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lmao jesus.

have a question for you guys what maintenance is needed before and after use of my ro/di unit??? also when should i flush after certain gallons produced? or by time table? monthly weekly?
 
No, I get 120psi on two 100 gpd membranes with 350 gpd.
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Yeow. I know you haven't had problems yet, but...

120 psi on the clear housings is something to avoid. If you can move the pump inlet/output to after the prefilter housings that would be a good idea.

Russ
 
+1 on moving the pump to after the clear polycarbonate filter cannister. Not pretty when they fail. Been there, seen that, had to clean up after others. :-(

Noticed that your pump doesn not have the built-in pressure relief valve, watch your pressures.

Check the pressure ratings on all the components, plan for the worst, hope for the best.
 
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