Saban takes the job.

[timrandlerv10]

nothing against the town of Tuscaloosa, but his family will be happier in T-town vs Miami???

money can buy happiness?

of course, who would want to keep a job where they were completely mediocore anyway...

go UAT i guess...

 

[6Speed]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=8898851#post8898851 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by wpecoul
Here's a question for you, though. Ostensibly, he lied about his lack of interest in the Alabama job because Huizenga said he'd fire Saban on the spot if he found out he was talking to anyone from the university.

When did Huizenga say that? If he did say that, he must not have been too serious b/c once he knew Saban was talking with Alabama, he gave him an extra day to decide. Seems like if he did say it, and was serious, he would have fired Saban on Tuesday, right?

Considering he was on a slow boat to nowhere with the Dolphins, why wouldn't he talk, given that to stay quiet would mean risking missing out on his 'dream job'?

That could go both ways though. There were no new prospects for weeks after Rodriguez and Spurrier denounced the job. Furthermore, Saban knew he was Bama's #1 pick all along...it was fairly obvious to everyone. I'm sure he knew the job would be open for a few more weeks - or at least till his season was over.

Seriously, I saw that 'dream job' line yesterday and thought it was absolutely priceless. Some people will buy anything.

Just b/c Auburn is not very many (if any) big name coaches 'dream job,' doesn't mean the same for Alabama.

As much as some people won't admit it, Bama is frequently placed in the same air as ND, OK, MI or OSU (not the last few years, but overall). I'm not talking about Bama fans making these comparisons/catagorizations, I'm talking about broadcasters, journalists, and fans from other teams.

So given this...how is it not conceivable that Bama wouldn't be a dream job on a short list of schools for a boy raised in VA and who probably grew up watching Bryant coach championship teams?

I really don't see how it's that unbelievable.

He's denied and lied, then shown up at the new job talking about how much he's wanted it. [/B]

Didn't Tubby do the same thing before he took the AU job? I do recall something along the lines of "I'm not leaving Ole Miss except in a pine box."

 

[6Speed]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=8899438#post8899438 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by timrandlerv10
nothing against the town of Tuscaloosa, but his family will be happier in T-town vs Miami???

money can buy happiness?

of course, who would want to keep a job where they were completely mediocore anyway...

go UAT i guess...

I never said money can buy happiness. I also did not say he'd be happier here, just that this state is more similar in lifestyle and landscape to where he grew up, not to mention much closer to his fav. vacation spot.

Today a reporter asked him how long he would be here. He said this was his last coaching job. According to him, his next stop will be retirement at his lake house in GA.

I know AU fans won't believe that, and naturally UA fans want to and will believe that, but for whatever it's worth, he said it.

 

[timrandlerv10]

'but for whatever it's worth' is the key part of that sentence.

I'm not a big college football fan, so this whole 'until Bear comes back down with angels and trumpets' thing is kinda weird.


I mean, come on, its not like he's Dean Smith or anything...

(oops...gave away sport and state didnt i?)

side note: i need help with a tank photo and buying a new lens...timrandlerv10@yahoo.com if you can answer some questions for me...

 

[6Speed]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=8900516#post8900516 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by timrandlerv10
'but for whatever it's worth' is the key part of that sentence.

I'm not a big college football fan, so this whole 'until Bear comes back down with angels and trumpets' thing is kinda weird.


I mean, come on, its not like he's Dean Smith or anything...

(oops...gave away sport and state didnt i?)

side note: i need help with a tank photo and buying a new lens...timrandlerv10@yahoo.com if you can answer some questions for me...

People from other teams always bring up the Bear "second coming" or whatever, as a way to try and cast a negative light on Bama fans, but honestly, aside from all the merchandising that's sold (HT hats and some shirts), I don't hear a lot of Bama fans bragging about the Bear.

I thought I replied to your pm about the lens? Did you not get it? What do you need to know about photo'ing your tank?

 

[Reef_bones]

Here is the scoop from someone in the loop at BAMA...Always been a good source in the past... Take it or leave it.

The hottest juice on how it went down...........................

The week after the Alabama vs UT game, Saban's agent contacted Alabama officials to inform them that Nick would be interested in talking to them about the head coaching position if it were to come open. At that time, Mike Shula had full confidence from his superiors and there was no reason to believe that there would be a coaching vacancy, however there were beginning to be some rumblings within power circles that Shula was over his head and it was becoming obvious. Anyone who watched Alabama underachieve could not deny it. Then came the loss to MSU and that is when the powers that be started reviewing their options. The week after that game, Mal met with Shula and told him that there had be signs of improvement the following two weeks. He didn't dictate that Shula had better win but back to my point earlier, it was obvious the team was digressing instead of progressing. Bama played better but lost to a good LSU team and for the most part it looked like the problems had been addressed. Then came the Auburn game. Shula horribly mismanaged that game and Dr. Witt and Mal were both so furious that they stormed out of their skybox before the game ended.
Let me go back a little. Mike Price brought in an OL coach named Bob Connelly who taught the zone blocking scheme that is ideal for a spread offense. Shula retained him when he came and it became painfully obvious to everyone (except Shula) that the zone blocking scheme was not working for the pro set that Shula wanted to run. It was clear in 2004 that a new OL coach was needed and Shula never addressed it. Also, although Shula had an "OC" in Dave Rader he chose to call the plays himself and quite frankly was not very good at it. Back to the Auburn loss; Mal held a meeting with Shula the Monday after the Auburn game and told him that he needed to address the problems with the O-line and with playcalling and (or as my source told me, gave him an open book test with the answers). There were also serious issues in regards to discipline and S&C that needed addressing. Shula did not demand S&C participation and left it up to his assistants to oversee player participation, however he did not back up his coaches when the players were not attending as they should. They met again the next day and Shula's plan was to move the OL coach to centers and guards and to move the ST coach (who has never ever coached the O line) to tackles. He also told Mal that he would not give up playcalling duties. Mal told him that was not acceptable and to present another plan to him the following day. Well, Shula came back the next day and gave him the exact same plan. What was really happening is that Shula was getting bad advice from Ray Perkins (who was Shula's coach at Bama and was positioning himself to be AD when Mal retired.) Perkins was telling Shula to stand his ground because they wouldn't dare fire him. In the meantime, Mal and Dr. Witt were making contengency plans. On the Sunday after Thanksgiving, Shula scheduled a players meeting for that night and attended that meeting and informed the players that there would be no changes and that all the coaches would be back next year. He was fired shortly after that meeting. What many don't realize is that Shula knew what he was doing and was trying to force Mal's hand because Mal had been trying to call him all day long and Shula wouldn't answer his phone. In the days preceeding the firing, Saban's camp had reiterated that they were interested in the job but would not talk further until there was an official opening. Once that opening came, talks progressed fast and Saban told Bama that if they would wait until the end of the NFL season that he would be theirs. At that time, Jimmy Sexton started leaking Spurriers name about the job and that was done in order to try and keep the attention off of Saban for as long as possible. There was really never any serious flirtation with Spurrier and contrary to reports he was never offered the job.
There is a group in the Alabama AD that I call the "rats". these guys consist of a bunch of good ole boys who have jobs because they know the right people and would rather protect their jobs than do what is best for Alabama. These "rats" were putting pressure via there powerful (BOT) friends on Mal to look at other options because they "thought" Saban and Sexton were just using Alabama to get an extension. The reason I put "thought" in parentheses is because these guys actually knew that Saban would come if Bama waited (and Mal and Dr. Witt were willing to wait) and they also knew that they would be out of a job if Saban came. Mal went to New York for the NCAA awards ceremonies and while there he met with three people (and you can call me crazy if you want but my record speaks for itself) Greg Schiano, Bob Stoops, and Rich Rodriquez. RR was very interested in the job and he was immediately positioned as the #2 guy if something should fall apart with Saban. Unfortunately, the "rats" convinced their BOT buddies that we could not take the chance to wait on Saban and we needed to get RR while we could. We offered him and he agreed. Now this is where it is pure speculation on my part but I really believe that Mal helped "sabatoge" the RR deal because he allowed him to go back to West Virginia to think it over, and thus allowing WV to counter offer. Thank god RR turned it down because #1 it allowed Mal to get back in control and it allowed the "rats" to be outed. After RR decline, Bama got together a powerful group to "support" Mal and keep the "rats" at bay. That group consisted of Joe Namath, Gene Stallings, Lee Roy Jordan, and Billy Neighbors (One of those guys is who I was getting my info from). Saban's camp once again said that things could happen if we would just wait. So we did. During the meantime, the contract was essentially drawn up between Sexton and Bama officials with the only thing holding the announcement being Dec 31. During this time Nick was already putting out feelers to guys he was interested in bringing in as assistants. On Jan 1, Mal and Billy flew down and Joe met them there. They met with Nick and his family and all plans were for a formal announcement on Tuesday, however, Nick thinks very highly of Wayne Huizenga and Wayne asked that Nick wait one more day to make the decision, which was never a decision at that point. Yesterday afternoon Nick signed some documents that were akin to promissory notes and then last night around 8:30 Nick signed the contract. Nick is in Tuscaloosa now and has already toured the facilities this afternoon.

 

[wpecoul]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=8900426#post8900426 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by 6Speed
When did Huizenga say that?

He said it when the rumors around Saban first started - before Moore even offered the job to Rodriguez. In other words, when Saban first started lying.


Just b/c Auburn is not very many (if any) big name coaches 'dream job,' doesn't mean the same for Alabama.

Who brought up Auburn? Not me.

So given this...how is it not conceivable that Bama wouldn't be a dream job on a short list of schools for a boy raised in VA and who probably grew up watching Bryant coach championship teams?

Just amazingly coincidental, don't you think?

Didn't Tubby do the same thing before he took the AU job? I do recall something along the lines of "I'm not leaving Ole Miss except in a pine box."

Yes, Tuberville did just that, but like I said, who brought up Auburn? I'm not an Aub, believe me.

It does strike me as funny that most Alabama fans consider themselves to be better than Auburn or its fans, but yours is the same comeback/argument I've heard the most this week. Kind of torpedoes the whole superiority thing, doesn't it? I mean, if you cite your supposed inferior as a behavioral model, what does that say about you?

I have no doubt that Saban will be successful with Alabama. All I said is that I don't think he'll still be the coach in 3-4 years. I actually want all SEC schools to take names and kick azz, because I can't freakin' stand the Big 10 or PAC 10, as they are wildly overrated.

 

[6Speed]

Yes, Tuberville did just that, but like I said, who brought up Auburn? I'm not an Aub, believe me.

You ask who brought up Auburn? Well, Buzz, Scapes, Greenbean (didn't say Auburn specifically, but he made a jokingly negative remark about Bama, and his location is Auburn) and then you come in with skeptism, and you're from Montgomery aka AU country.

I'm sorry if I assumed you're an Auburn fan. The Auburn fans have been coming out of the woodwork this week to denounce Saban, and any other part of the whole situation.

Just amazingly coincidental, don't you think?

Not really. You're being skeptical, I'm trying to remain positive. If it's not really his dream job then you can come back and tell me I was wrong in 3 or 4 years, or whenever your projected date of departure is.

It does strike me as funny that most Alabama fans consider themselves to be better than Auburn or its fans, but yours is the same comeback/argument I've heard the most this week. Kind of torpedoes the whole superiority thing, doesn't it? I mean, if you cite your supposed inferior as a behavioral model, what does that say about you?

It's not that I feel superior to Auburn fans in any way. They have a great program, a great coach, and should definetly be proud of what has been accomplished.

However, I do I feel like Auburn fans are constantly attacking Bama and their fans, as if they have a chip on their shoulder.

Auburn fans would say Bama fans are worse, but I honestly don't see that much smacktalk being done by Bama fans.

Look at this thread, for example. How many people came in ranting and raving that Auburn was going to get their butts whooped, Tubervilles days were over, etc, etc. I don't see any (except maybe bones 1st comment). Now compare that to the comments posted by AU fans.

 

[6Speed]

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[timrandlerv10]

as a non-auburn, non-bama fan, i see waaay more anti-auburn stuff from bama fans, but i can also characterize them as 'curbside' alumni.

i really dont know much about college football, but this guy is quite clearly a liar, and if i had a son choosing between (somewhere) and bama, i would certainly not want this guy to take my fatherly place for the next four years.

 

[dobb]

ok guys enough

ok guys enough

This is a reef forum take your football junk back to tiderinsider Please.

 

[Westpat]

I still say GO GATORS!!!!

I still say GO GATORS!!!!

Hey Zack,
Great Coach to go along with the great RODI unit you sold me!
I am glad I didn't have to come off $4 million for it though!
Thanks again and cheer for the Gators come Monday.

David

 

[Reef_bones]

Re: ok guys enough

Re: ok guys enough

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=8909385#post8909385 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by dobb
This is a reef forum take your football junk back to tiderinsider Please.

Reading a post is optional. You can choose to not read it. Its just a simple discusion that BAMA fans have been long overdue for. Getting a good coach.

 

[Nitroq2]

WAR EAGLE!!!! Dobbs we could always talk about the thumb and remind them until they improve we still rule this state with an iron hand LOL~!