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I mean it in a pseudo-cynical way. I love wal-mart for their prices, while hating them for their ethics. at the same time I have given up and conceded that they are soon going to be world super power, so I am getting on the wagon. But, I don't feel bad not supporting small business, mainly because a lot of people who own them have no business running one. They often times are just as bull-headed, hard to deal with, and maliciously undercutting as corporations. IME of course.
 
why would one need to go to walmart if they always send their wife there for them....i think that if we all go to whats closest to buy our salt then wouldnt that make us of walmart mentality,when many go looking all over the place for cheap gas when it rises thats bang for your buck and damn near everyone does it and if you say you dont then you must be lying,if one isnt of the walmart mentality then what do ya call people that are on here that clearly look for deals,i see one place thats down the road from me with a frogspawn frag with bubble and hair algae all over the place in that tank and the guy farther down the road with the same frag and even the same price....guess where im gonna buy it,cause that guy didnt have a huge amount of crap algae in their tank with that frag,but thats neather here nor there and off the subject....i'd like to take this time to say that today i purchesed 2 emerald crabs for $ 15.00,break that down and thats $7.50 ea. :D sorry but i like to find the best i can for a cheaper price......btw,wonder why places like ebay are in bussiness :D LOVE EBAY!!!!!
 
I really love wallmart I would say I go there at least 3 times a week :)

The funny thing is if you are the big guy on the block you always get put down from those that are smaller then you. Just look at how some countries claim we are unfair.:uzi:
 
why would one need to go to walmart if they always send their wife there for them....i think that if we all go to whats closest to buy our salt then wouldnt that make us of walmart mentality

wow, I don't even know what to say to the first part.... but if I went to the closest place to buy salt, I'd end up at petsmart, which I buy VERY little at, but instead I go to one of the LFS. So, no, shopping at a local LFS is different than shopping at walmart, or petsmart, and is a completely different mentality. Again, I shop at my LFS to ensure that I have decent local support when I need it.
 
i'd like to take this time to say that today i purchesed 2 emerald crabs for $ 15.00,break that down and thats $7.50 ea. :D sorry but i like to find the best i can for a cheaper price......btw,wonder why places like ebay are in bussiness :D LOVE EBAY!!!!![/QUOTE]

So is the from the auction site ebay? If so how much was the shipping? If it was from our ebay/Emerald Bay Did you pick up any salt while you where there?
 
What is this "local support" that everyone is talking about. Or "they're there when you have an emergency" ?

I don't get it.

Does that mean the LFS will come over to my house at 2 am if my tank springs a leak? Does that mean that if my house catches fire they'll rush over and take in my fish? Does that mean if I'm traveling, and I live out in the sticks, they'll come babysit my tank? Maybe, if you have your credit card handy?

Or are people saying that if you have a problem with equipment you can quickly run over and buy an overpriced pump for twice what you can buy it for online? Or if your sump cracks you can rush over and again, buy one for twice the price? For the price charged for some equipment I can buy it online 2 for one and keep a backup in case something fails.

What about fellow hobbyists? Are they not decent local support? I have received more help on forums than I have in all LFS I've been to combined - and I've been to many stores in several states. We're all in this together, and we can also all help each other when and where we can. I am willing to assist others as my schedule allows, and if someone has an emergency, I'm willing to help and loan equipment if I have it to loan. There's plenty of us around. I've met some great people through the club.

I certainly do see the point of the local fish store. It's very nice to see fish and coral before you buy them. I understand they need to make profit. I'm willing to support when and where I see fit. The business model for some around here flat out sucks though. Maybe it's bad suppliers. Maybe not enough product is sold so they can't buy at discount. I've been to a couple LFS where prices were low and fair. They do business in volume - it's better to sell 10 frags of zoanthids at $10 a frag, than 1 frag at $60-70. I've seen zoa rocks (commons ones) here for $50,60, 70 per rock. That's outrageous. Would I have paid $10-15 for a frag of the same colony? Yep. I'm sure others would do the same. I am not wiling however to pay $50, 60 for that rock, so a sale is lost. I've seen stores in FL with frag racks starting at $5, $10, $15 - all the way up to beautiful $200 colonies. They'd frag out new colonies they purchased to make them more affordable for people and they sold more. That's a good way to get new hobbyists interested. The same newcomer may not want to pay high dollar starting out - get them started, when they see it does well, they'll come back. If the same person finds out that they grossly overpaid for a common or weed coral, they won't be so happy. Take the big colonies of higher dollar coral - frag it down a bit. Do more volume instead of selling one colony for $150.

Also, a few suggestions to LFS reading the thread still, is get the nasty stuff out of the tanks. Take a weed wacker to the bubble agae, aiptaisa, and GHA. That's discouraging and looks bad. If you see fish floating around dead in your tanks, pull them out. If you see fish that have ick, skin peeling, or otherwise look like hell, QT them. It looks bad. I'm not saying all stores are like that around here, some are very nice. I've purchased some nice coral at E-bay (emerald bay) and have been treated very fairly there.

I think that's the last I'll post on this topic. All of the above is simply my humble opinion.
 
i also totally agree and its my opinon too zach....pointed out a dead blue tang to someone the other day with ick all over it......will they not put fish in there for the standard 4 weeks til possibly all ick dies off while no other live stock is in there? hell no....will i remember which tank it was so i dont buy anything from that one tank....yes.....are all the tanks like that or have been like that....maybe......will i continue to shop there....yup....will i keep a close eye on things...for damn sure,because my money that i work hard for means alot.......do i like the guys at the LFS yes i do,they are good guys...the ones i know anyways.....are some people lazy in taking care of their tanks....you bet ya azz they are.......and to clearify,that means if you have 10 people working at a store,3 of them might not give a crap,ive been a manager at big retail stores before,its bad pratice for a place like walmart to not do what they can for customers,its bad pratice for a resturant to have roches running around as its bad practice for a LFS to have algae,aptasia and high prices up the ying yang......also,no i didnt get the crabs on ebay,i wouldnt trust anyone on ebay with live stock but thats my opnion....i got them at one of our LFS :D
 
i also totally agree and its my opinon too zach....pointed out a dead blue tang to someone the other day with ick all over it......will they not put fish in there for the standard 4 weeks til possibly all ick dies off while no other live stock is in there? hell no....will i remember which tank it was so i dont buy anything from that one tank....yes.....

You do realize that chances are most of the tanks in the LFS displays are usually on a common system?
 
I know for a fact the tanks at the critter can be taken offline & treated seperatly from all the other tanks on their system. At least all the tanks down the rows are. The ones befind the cash registers are all seperate running on canister filters.
 
I certainly have seen high prices online too.... If you want the LFS to sell at such prices how do you expect them to survive or give you full attention when you make your purchase? What do we mean by emergency? Critter WILL hold your fish for you when you have a problem with you tank and yes they have equipment if you need them asap.... They will also provide you styrofoam boxes, plastic bags and rubber bands if your moving. They will also try their best to make things right if you are really dis-satisfied with something. Of course this varies from LFS to LFS but this was my experience at critters. If you just don't like their ethics and you prefer to shop online then that is cool too. I shop online all the time, am I looking for deals? You bet! When you get to a point when you have as many animals as I do you look for deals! With 4 birds, 3 dogs, a cat, and 3 tanks. Food cost, maintenance, and vet bills get really expensive along with house payments so sourth so on.
 
hey mike is that your blue and yellow macaw,they are cool,loved the one my folks had when i was like 8,hey ate peanut butter like nuts and pecked at our wood furniture,needless to say he was sold to a pet store lol
 
lol um,love to get salt on a deal.....again i need 2 48" t5 reflectors,4 t5 bulbs at 48"...love a fromia star....corals,extra salt......need around around 50 lbs of live rock and yes if ya have a good quality product for a good price whichs makes it a good deal,yes you'll get my money :D ps: free beer or whisky is always great too lol
 
wow what a thread!....didn't know Ebay had salt that cheep either! Did you know that fishkeeping is the second most popular hobby in the USA right behind stamp collecting! (I don't think "the internet" was included in the poll though hehehe).
 
hey mike is that your blue and yellow macaw,they are cool,loved the one my folks had when i was like 8,hey ate peanut butter like nuts and pecked at our wood furniture,needless to say he was sold to a pet store lol

Yea that's my Blue & Gold Macaw. I've had him for about 6 years or so. They love to eat wood so they need to be watched! I used to raise birds years ago so I know what I'm getting into. I only have 4 birds now compared to years ago I had over a 100.
 
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