Sarcophyton "lesions"

Conky

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Mr. Borneman,

I contacted you a couple of weeks ago regarding some problems I've been experiencing with some Sarcophytons at work. To refresh your memory, I was concerned a bit by the abundance of flatworms found on all of the afllicted specimens, as well as the effects of a night when the chiller remained off (temp spike to 88 degrees). You can review our interchange by searching for "coldwater invert" under your forum. I promised you pictures, and have attached 5 separate pictures (in the following 5 posts...too big for one posting) of some of the worst afflicted specimens. I have not been able to get pics of the flatworms yet, but they do not appear similar to the "red planarians". They are much less defined in form (more rounded in all aspects, much slower moving, with perhaps 3 tails), and though they appear a very light pink when on the coral, under the stereoscope they look mottled brown (as if they were eating tissue). I will send you a picture of them as soon as I can work out the logistics.

Tank params are as follows:

2 x 1000 watt MH
2 x 400 watt MH
~1200 gallon display
Not sure of exact flow...it's incorporated into a 4000 gallon system
These specimens are situated several inches below the overflow, and thus receive a moderate flow at all times.
Additional water flow provided by 2 700 gph powerheads(planning more on wavemaker)
pH 8.070-8.250 (approx)
Ca = 400 ppm, Alk = 3.0 meq/l (both were lower when problem began...maybe 380 and 2.5)
Equipped with calcium reactor (120 dpm/45 bpm...21.0 meq/l, pH 6.5) for the last month
Dose Mg, Ca/alk(balanced) when necessary
Occasionally drip Kalkwasser
Temp ~ 77 deg (with chiller)
Ammonia, nitrite undetectable, nitrates 3.6 ppm, phosphates 0.01 ppm (spectrophotometer readings)
Magnesium is maintained 1200-1300 (difficult)
Salinity=34, probably 32.5 when problem started

I can furnish you with a graph with all of the parameters for the period in which I first noticed the problem if it will help at all. I have values for most on an every day basis.

As of now, things seem to be improving. All specimens seem to be lacking further damage and polyp extension is good, though the wounds do not seem to be experiencing any regrowth at the edges. The flatworms have receeded dramatically, and smaller specimens have stopped detaching from the rock (may have been unrelated). I basically just wanted to know what you felt were the more likely sources of this damage (in case I encounter it again). I can have the vets do cultures, but they have no idea what to look for (i.e. what is pathogenic).

I apologize for the quality of the photos, but they were taken from the surface without a tripod.

Thanks in advance,

Mike
 
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Sorry these aren't so great...hard to retain quality with resizing...
 

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Pic 5

And another...sorry 3 and 5 are so bad. Still should give you a better idea of the type of damage I'm speaking of.

Thanks again...
Mike
 

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I'm in the Rice area...but the tank is at the zoo. I just started up about a month ago. The tank had no dedicated caretaker for several months before I took over. One of the specimens is not attached to any large pieces and I could bring it to you for inspection if that is what you are getting at.

Thanks again,

Mike
 
I am no coral expert by any stretch of the imagination...but I have what appears to be the same Sarcophyton leather (many generations of frags too actually) in my tank with the exact same "lesions" on them.

I have always thought that this was how this particular leather reproduced or "fragged" itself. I frequently notice similar looking areas on mine and in a week to a few weeks I have a small piece that detaches from that area and grows into a new clone...its almost like it gets pinched off from the mother colony at that location. I've had this particular leather for over 5 years and probably have had at least 30 clones develop in this fashion.

Hopefully someone else will give more some more insight. :)
Chris
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=12316691#post12316691 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by SeaMac2
I have always thought that this was how this particular leather reproduced or "fragged" itself


From my leather experiance, the "fragged" statement is true, but not the "reproduced" statement. The "lesions" are normally from something laying on the head. It can be algea, sand or even the film that shows up before sheding. If left on the head too long, the leather itself begins to thin out under the foreign object. If you can get a view from underneath with lights on above, you'll see a shadow where the foreign object was. The leather will then just heal off along the "shadow" to protect itself. Gradually, it will hit open ends and fall off, without a stalk.

When it "reproduces" the stalk will form before it leaves "parent". I've only seen this happen once in my tank.

Be careful if you see this happening in or above the stalk. I've seen the stalks desintigrate, from what looks like an infection.
 
Nothing on top that I can see...and it has been happening regularly for years.

Interesting point about the stalks though. :)
 
SeaMac, is there anyway you can get a look at from underneath? Preferably with strong lighting above it. Usually they look opaque. The dark areas are very visable when viewing like that. If the lesions are already there the "parent" leather will usually not grow back there but just allow the portion to fall off to protect itself.
 
I too have this happen all the time. Little pieces fall off attach themselves somewhere and grow just to do it again.

I take the pieces after they fall and sew them to a rock. A couple of weeks later they have a stalk and I sell them for beer money.

Bill
 
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