Seio`s Multicontroller
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reef_dude76
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Oh for the love of God, I think the point of this thread has spiraled out of control and the entire thing is no longer relavent.
Lets recap the big points that have been beaten to death:
1. The multicontroller comes out in 4 weeks, you can't buy or order it yet and no one knows the exact price but is estimated at ~$200.
2. The multicontroller is not a "controlable" as a tunze.
3. People will use what ever they can afford, or what has proven to work for them in the past.
4. dhnguyen hates SEIO's.:rollface:
5. Tunze's cost ALOT. They are also very controlable. The cost versus benefit is up to you. If you can justify paying that much and you are happy ... do it. If not ... don't.
6. Some people like SEIO's ... deal with it.:rollface:
7. Some people like max-jet mods ... deal with that too.:rollface:
Have I missed anything?
Lets recap the big points that have been beaten to death:
1. The multicontroller comes out in 4 weeks, you can't buy or order it yet and no one knows the exact price but is estimated at ~$200.
2. The multicontroller is not a "controlable" as a tunze.
3. People will use what ever they can afford, or what has proven to work for them in the past.
4. dhnguyen hates SEIO's.:rollface:
5. Tunze's cost ALOT. They are also very controlable. The cost versus benefit is up to you. If you can justify paying that much and you are happy ... do it. If not ... don't.
6. Some people like SEIO's ... deal with it.:rollface:
7. Some people like max-jet mods ... deal with that too.:rollface:
Have I missed anything?
RichConley
New member
The motors on SEIOs are no different than any other powerhead really. TAAM says it only works with SEIOs, but there is no evidence, or scientific reason it wouldnt work with other powerheads. This was covered multiple times earlier in the thread.
reef_dude76
Premium Member
RichConley: Thank you, yes, I forgot that point in my list.
Well technically the SEIO motors are the same as other powerheads in that they're AC. But there is a possibility that it (the SEIO) could have a very different number of poles (perhaps 4 or 6 even) present as compared to others. The number of poles would make a big difference whether the RPM can be slowed down enough by changing the frequency I think. But then I'm no AC motor expert so perhaps someone who's more knowledgable can chime in.
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hahnmeister
In Memoriam
SEIOs are 4-pole (at least, although there is no need for more than this) motors to enable the motor to start in the same direction every time. This is also why they are so chunky in comparison to say, a MJ of the same wattage. Most other powerheads are 2-pole. This is why SEIOs are more $$$ to make, and this is also the reason that the controller will work on SEIOs but might not work as well, if at all, on other powerheads.
It depends on what method they use to slow the pumps. If they are able to manipulate the Hz clock cycle, as mentioned before, that means not only more electricity is used the slower you go, but more heat at the motor. If they block the AC current in a sine-wave pattern (this is how ceiling fans, oscillating desk and box fans, etc do it) it would be a much better result, and also require a 4-pole motor or else the motor would run the chance of changing direction at lower speeds...meaning rattling and seizing of the motor.
RichConley is right on one thing though...there is no evidence or scientific reason why these things wouldnt work on other powerheads...as there is no evidence at all. But the internal structure of the motor is different than your average powerhead...and I think I know why...
It depends on what method they use to slow the pumps. If they are able to manipulate the Hz clock cycle, as mentioned before, that means not only more electricity is used the slower you go, but more heat at the motor. If they block the AC current in a sine-wave pattern (this is how ceiling fans, oscillating desk and box fans, etc do it) it would be a much better result, and also require a 4-pole motor or else the motor would run the chance of changing direction at lower speeds...meaning rattling and seizing of the motor.
RichConley is right on one thing though...there is no evidence or scientific reason why these things wouldnt work on other powerheads...as there is no evidence at all. But the internal structure of the motor is different than your average powerhead...and I think I know why...
To my knowledge, and this is just info that has passed down through the chains, the Polario will be an in line turbine style pump. So basically rather than having a big clunky pump, it will be more a pipe with a turbine inside of it. Again, how much of this is true? I don't know!
I have also "heard" that there will be 4000, 6000, and 10,000 gph flavors. They will be fully controllable via a pc, or possibly some other controller. Someone mentioned that the 10,000gph unit is actually capable to running all the way up to 1hp, but is actually throttled back and running around 1/14th to 1/16th hp in the inner workings of the board that runs the motor.
Again, this is purely speculation as it was more of a he said and she said type of thing.
I have also "heard" that there will be 4000, 6000, and 10,000 gph flavors. They will be fully controllable via a pc, or possibly some other controller. Someone mentioned that the 10,000gph unit is actually capable to running all the way up to 1hp, but is actually throttled back and running around 1/14th to 1/16th hp in the inner workings of the board that runs the motor.
Again, this is purely speculation as it was more of a he said and she said type of thing.
2004jeepoutlander
New member
any more news?
2004jeepoutlander
New member
any more news?
The Polario is about 3" x 6" and can operate on a varied water flow from 0-10,000 gallons an hour. The water can discharge from either one or two outputs and when operating at 10,000 gallons it operates at 50 watts.
The pump can be operated in-line or submersed. It will be in inter-zoo
The pump can be operated in-line or submersed. It will be in inter-zoo
minireef30
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Pretty cool looking. Sounds like it will be a nice random flow too.
Hope it works as well as my m2600's.
Hope it works as well as my m2600's.
masterswimmer
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Is there any news on an updated release date for the Multicontroller? It's been about 3 weeks since we were told 3-4 weeks.
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