Hzuiel
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I am aware they sell bulbs. I looked at manufacturer specs too, which you should know if you are replying to this post. Depending on how you utilize the bulbs that is not even off that far. At LEAST 11% loss of output and color at half bulb life, and depending on how much you run them, that 3000 hours could be up in under or over a year. The way you respond you would think that i said MH's need replaced every week.
I am not the manufacturer of, nor a sales person for, AI or Solaris. Therefore I do not particularly know or care how those brands, which I did not research and then purchase for myself, have lasted. Nor do I have to answer for them if they have failed in some way.
If someone buys something with a short warranty and it comes back to bite them, guess whose fault that is? In my case I have a 5 year warranty on the meanwell driver, and have actually taken proper measures to ensure the longevity of the LEDs, and if anything goes wrong that is not covered by warranty, it is at most a $4.50 point of failure.
.....Did I or did I not already state TWICE that to truly know how much power you are using, and if you are getting proper lighting, you have to measure?
Spreading out the coverage has already been discussed, and is perfectly possible. The title of the thread is "Are LEDs actually more efficient than T5 or MH?" The actual issue IS electrical efficiency, the actual amount of light that can be created per watt of power, because ultimately beyond that it is only a matter of proper implementation to get the right spread.
Again, i do not represent any company that has made misleading claims, nor am i making any misleading claims. If you fall for gimmicky marketing, that isn't my fault or problem.
I said $80-160 for a 400 watt. You are trying to counter my point by saying you pay 80(within the range i just said) but for a 250watt(not even what i was talking about.) Hmmmm.....
Really, someone did the very thing that i'm saying you should do? Man you sure showed me.
Did I at any point say that people can't use whatever lighting they want? If people don't want to DIY, they don't have to. In many situations though it's almost necessary, as there may be no products on the market that fit your exact circumstances. Not to mention this hobby was born as DIY and continues to be a dream hobby for DIYers and tinkerers. It is certainly not forgiving to people who have a lack of ability, time, or desire to DIY, and that is reality.
No, it really is not silly to expect people to research expensive purchases before they invest their money. If they don't, the blame is on them. It is hard to believe anyone would even argue this. This kind of thinking is why the saying, "a fool and his money are soon parted," exists. Even if you do trust a company and they mislead you, that in and of itself is not necessarily any sort of indicator as to the viability of the technology. If a company is selling cheap chinese LED fixture and they don't last or don't perform, that means nothing in particular about the quality or performance of say phillips or cree LEDs.
Yes LED's are continuing to evolve, and that means absolutely nothing in this conversation. He didn't ask, "were LEDs actually blah blah blah in 2006?" He is asking now, in 2014, if they are really more efficient. Also the fact that LED technology is improving means nothing as well. Current generation LEDs do not somehow make the older ones less effective. If they worked to begin with, that will not have changed because a new model was released. Why do i need to go back in time to build light fixtures for people in the past? How is any of this crap relevant to the question the OP had?
No I have not used MH. Why would that matter in reference to anything I have said? I am making suppositions based upon what experience i do have, information that is available to me, and common sense. While at the same time encouraging people to actually TEST and find out for themselves what is more efficient and effective. I don't need experience to do that.
