Shark Tank Again

On a side note, it suprises me that you would mention black tips as being easier to house in this tank than the afore mentioned species. The black tips definately look the best but I'm not sure I want to keep something I would have serious problems finding a home for 2 or 3 years after I put it in the tank....10 x 8 x 4 is about as big as I want to go tank wise....I'm already looking at 15K for the tank alone! :-P
 
Kentrob11 - Yes, finding homes for sharks can definattly be a pain and its not reccomended but if you have a friend with a very large tank, or a public aquarium close by. Ask them if they would have any interest taking the shark off you after it out grows your take. Its all up to you really. As for the smoothhounds people often say they are "cool" water sharks, but they are able to thrive in water temperatue around 75 degrees, I have seen it done. And with this you would be able to keep all those other marine fish you listed.
 
Kentrob11 - Yes, I would say you could keep a pair of Grey Smoothhounds in your setup for life. I will post a little more about them in a bit, like there maximum growth, annual growth, ect.

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Gray Smoothhound (Mustelus Califonicus)

- Born around 7.8" - 11.7"
- Maximum length of 46.8"
- Males reach maturity between 22.2" - 25.4"
- Females reach matuiry at about 27.3"
- Males live to a maximum of 6 years
- Females live to a maximum of 9 years

Brown Smoothhound (Mustelus Henlei)

- Born around 7.8"
- Maximum length of 37.1"
- Males reach maturity between 20.3" - 25.7"
- Females reach maturity between 20.0" - 24.6"
- Males live to a maximum of 7 years
- Females live to a maximum of 13 years

Hope this helps. As well I would recommend you purchase the book " Aquarium Sharks & Rays " by Scott Michael.
 
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I've researched enough on the smoothhounds over the years yet got differing opinions on environment temps. Do you guys know anyone who's got them if an actual tank that has good pics of them?
 
Smooth hounds would absolutely be a better choice than sharpies or bonnets.

By the way - there are 3 species of smooth hounds available. All 3 species do much better in smaller 1500-2500 gallon tanks than any requiem, and they can do just fine in tanks with at least 65-75 sq. ft of floor space(which you have)

The Gray Smooth hound(M. californicus), The Brown Smooth hound(M. henlei), and the Atlantic or Dusky Smooth hound(M. canius).

The Atlantic Smooth hound is a slightly warmer water species, tolerating water temps in to the lower 80s. They average 4' in length, and can reach up to 5' in length.

Also Brown & Gray Smooth hounds are easily able to tolerate water temps up to 77F

Also the reason - I said Blacktip reefs - is because they tend to adapt well to captivity, better than bonnetheads & sharpies. And I have heard of people keeping blacktip pups in 1700 gallon shark tanks(with a 8.5' x 6.5' foot print) for about 2 years. Still with them you would either need to eventually up grade to a much larger tank(say about 15,000 gallons) or give it to your nearest Public Aquarium(if they will take it).

While - requiems may be out as long-term option. That doesn't mean that sharks are out as an option all together. You still have some nice options.

My personal choice
A California (or Pacific Coast) shark tank. This includes the following species options.

- Gray or Brown Smooth hound - as the swimming shark (your Choice).
- The Californian Horn shark(Heterodontus francisci) - the bottom-dweller species
- A California sting ray or a Cortez Sting ray (your choice)

other options include - a shark breeding tank (your choice of bottom dwellers).
Or a giant aggressive FOWLR tank - with a couple of bottom dwelling sharks like Bamboos, Eppies, Coral Cat or maybe a Japanese Wobbie(grows to 3.5'), groupers, Eels, & tangs.
 
Do you think a legal 36" leopard would be OK these days or would it be too far along in life to be happy in a tank that size? Does the atlantic smoothhound look the same as the gray? Where would one find these guys? I haven't really looked for sources lately....
 
BTW....I really like horned sharks as well...I 'm not a fan of the smaller bottm dwellers like catsharks and whatnot. They just aren't active enough for me...Rays would be neat though....
 
The Atlantic Smooth hound are usually found at the same online dealers as the Sharpies & Bonnets.

Here's a shark dealer in NC

http://www.cwaquatics.4t.com/

Also check out aquabid.com - during the spring & summer months. The atlantics the size of the grays but are light brownish gray instead of the normal gray color of grays.

Horns are really cool looking bottom-dwellers. Very Prehistoric looking(considering they've been around for more than 100 million yrs.). They are also more active than especially during the daylight hours than most other bottom dwellers.

Leopard sharks - while related to the smoothhounds - get to be almost the same size as blacktip reefs (about 6' in length), and really need at least 4,500- 6,000 gallons. A 3' Leopard will likely so out grow the tank.
 
sharks

sharks

If you want you can email me. I have a source for what you're looking for (smoothhounds, Blacktips, Horns, Bat Rays, leopards, etc). High quality and reliable. My email tm48462@yahoo.com
I may be able to answer some of your questions as well so please feel free to ask. I've been keeping sharks for over 20 years.
 
I noticed bat rays in your post....Do you guys know much about them? Are there species of open water rays such as those that would be suitable for a tank the size I mentioned?
 
sharks/rays

sharks/rays

As I posted earlier you guys can email me about a source for sharks and rays at tm48462@yahoo.com
As far as bat rays go, they're not difficult to keep. Temp ranges from 50-78 F and they eat mostly shrimp, worms and crabs. Don't try keeping them with blacktips or bonnets as they will get eaten (the rays that is).
 
bat rays

bat rays

the bat rays I usually come across range in size from 12-24 inches across. Sometimes in the spring I'll see a 10 inch wingspan every now and then, but the 12-24 inchers are very common.
 
Krj or anyone else,

Have you guys run into Japanese horns at all? I have seen one fairly recently at a LFS. It was beautiful but rediculously over priced. I am looking to pick up two eppys or maybe a Japanese Horn.

Any info on the Horn would help.

Thanks!
 
japanese horns

japanese horns

I see Japanese horns every so often but they are pricey. Last two I saw (about 2 months ago) were 24-30 inches long. I can order them if you want to send me a private email. The eppys are no problem.
 
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