Sicce pumps are over rated......

wattsupdoc

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I have an Octopuss NW 200. The funnel neck job to be exact. Mine came with the Octo 3000 NW. I have had the skimmer for the better part of a year, 9-10 months I suppose. I ran it for the first month maybe two with the Octo 3000 mesh modded using enkamat. It skimmed on my moderately stocked 135 rather well. But I wasn't convinced I was getting the maximum out of it. So after reading soooo much about the mesh modded Sicce pumps, I broke down and ordered one. Right after I put it on line. I had start up issues with the MSX meshed enkamat so I Redid it myself. Either way though I could maybe pull 35 scfh on my Dwyers. ( I think I got it to pull 42 for a while but not very long, like maybe a day or two at a time.) Which is about the same as what I was pulling mesh modded with the octo 3000. Only with what seemed to be fewer start up issues with the Octo pump. Now the sicce Had other issues as well, a couple times I flooded the skimmer. Luckily mine is an in sump so the only issue was skimmate dumped back into the system. Still though not at all an acceptable issue. I presume this was from starting up in the opposite direction. Sure enough restarting the pump resolved the issue. dialing the skimmer in on the higher level was not acceptable either as it would rarely ever start this direction. So getting it to start as it was dialed in would take forever. Additionally accidental shut down would render it not skimming. While this may be better than flooding the skimmer, it still is not acceptable behavior as it was so difficult to start right. When the skimmer did skim, it skimmed pretty good, but would not consistently pull more than 22 scfh. The mesh modded Octo beat that with fewer issues. After running the Sicce pump for at least 6 months I decided to reinstall the Octo. 4 days I ago I put it back on line. Now though the impeller is just the plain old needle wheel that came stock on the skimmer. It has in fact since then outperformed the Sicce pump(with mesh no doubt) hands down. My reaction chamber immediately became completely filled with micro bubbles. The reaction in the chamber is gentler and more skimmate is produced daily. With no start up issues. Now my skimmer still has the gate valve mod as well as the stock venturi is slightly modded and a larger diameter air line installed. But this is the same airline as the Sicce was utilizing
 
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My point is IMO, the only advantage to the Sicce pumps is the lower operating costs. However with the inconstancy that came along with it, it is not worth the savings. Additionally, I feel the Octo 3000 outperforms the Sicce.
 
I disagree, the sicce pulls more air with fewer watts used than the OTP pump, the issue at hand is mesh, mesh is unpredictable, I've never had a single problem with my sicce pumps running pinwheels...

Luke tested sicce vs otp in every configuration possible back on 07 and the sicce always wins.
 
I would read that, but it gives me a headache...

I'm sure the high end skimmer companies using this pump would disagree and blame the mesh job:D The pumps are fantastic, the DIY mesh jobs are the weak point. Picking up a quality PW is probably the best choice if you are not a DIY'er.
 
The Sicce when put together properly with a good pinwheel or a good mesh job, is a very good pump. Low watts, high air pull. When put together shoddy, with a terrible mesh job it is a PITA.

Just make sure it's meshed well or use the better pinwheels.
 
I'm not trying to "drive the point home". The MSX mesh that came with the pump had start up issues to begin with. I have done the mesh mod countless times. On many differerent pumps. I know how to do a good mod. The results for me are enough proof. Many times companies install a certain component on a product because it helps to sell the product. If theres a lot of hype around that component, then they will use it. Hype can be drummed up around anything.
 
I was checking out another reefer's setup the other day. He's got an Octo with the 3000 pump. No doubt it works well & pulls some gunk but his numbers are around 18-20 on the Dwyer. He hooked it up for me. I just don't see that pump pulling 35 & actually starting.
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=14727654#post14727654 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by GSMguy
I disagree, the sicce pulls more air with fewer watts used than the OTP pump, the issue at hand is mesh, mesh is unpredictable, I've never had a single problem with my sicce pumps running pinwheels...
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=14728083#post14728083 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by BlueStag
The Sicce when put together properly with a good pinwheel or a good mesh job, is a very good pump. Low watts, high air pull. When put together shoddy, with a terrible mesh job it is a PITA.
Agree 100% with these guys! It's not the pump. The Sicce is definitly a proven pump and when done right, it is an awesome skimmer pump.
 
Here my PSK2500 sicce pump running at close to 50scfh at 28 watts. It starts up and skims great. This is my second real skimmer. My first was the OCTO DNW 200 RECIRC and I can only get 12scfh(with mesh) out of it due to head pressure. I would like to try it in-sump, but I can tell you now that it is not going to do what the sicce does.


 
Good Lord that looks turbulant in the body. It just seems like a lot of water in the body. Meshwheel? Is there a bubble plate in that skimmer?
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=14729473#post14729473 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by GSMguy
Is your keyboard broken?

:lol: :lol: :lol:

I read a few lines and gave up. I miss my monochrome monitor. :D
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=14731105#post14731105 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by gcarroll
Good Lord that looks turbulant in the body. It just seems like a lot of water in the body. Meshwheel? Is there a bubble plate in that skimmer?

I noticed that and that is why I posted the vid. What can I do to reduce the turbulence? It has a bubble plate and is being run in 8 inches of water. The shallower the water, the easier the pump starts up. It is a MW 50scfh. Do you think putting some mesh layers on top of the bubble plate or inside the bubble plate compartment?
 
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