I thought you were done.
I said the corals I tried in my skimmerless tank did not do well even though NO3 and PO4 are low. In case you haven't read the whole thread pics are linked in post #64. They do just fine in the main sytem. Just to be clear. Certain corals , particularly those form more turbid waters seem to prefer more organics and less skimming. Some do not.
Thanks for the pictures and detail. That's helpful.
The corals in that tank are corals I would expect to thrive in higher organics( acanastrea, phlerogyra, cataphylia ,anthellia, lobophyton and some montipora) . It's good the two acros pictured are surviving but those are two hardy variants and the growth and color are not stellar by any means. Wahtw teh green crud in the tank btw.?
I have a red planet grown over several years along with several mini colonies and frags all from the same 1 in ch frag. The main colony is bigger than your head; I think. It's' a very hardy acro and seems to tolerate lot's of variable conditions much more so than most.
My beef is an unprovoked dismissive snide comment in response to a simple statement of fact. Skimmers remove some organics; algaes add them. followed by a blatant effort to turn a thread about skimmers and skimerless into an opinionated unsubstantiated ill informed ramble about turf scrubbers and an insistance that any questions about them mean one thinks they" don't work". I've seen it almost every time they are discussed. The simplest facts about how reef chemistry and biology work are thro wn aside as personal attacks on the ats users or the ats system and those with the temrity to raise a question are quidkly marginalized as non beilivers, who thin ats doesn't work and closed minded to new things. Yech, It makes no sense. . I get ats . I know what it does and doesn't do but I don't get the almost hysterical response to any suggestion that they have limits. It's nonsense.
I think they are a good tool for n and p reduction when properly sized ,lighted, provided with flow and ,seeded properly for those intersted in trying them. There are other methods too. But folks who wan't to use them should try them with an awarenes of their limits and pluses and some understanding of the algae and the negartive side of organic buildups. In other words , how things work not just "trust me" baloney.
I have read almost all the threads on them and was one of the original folks about five or six years ago on disscusion group about them. I was invited by the fellow who started that
(who shall be nameless here since I don't want to give him any attention
)but resigned after efforts to manipulate information by organizing folks via behind the back pms to attack those who raised questions were undertaken. Later I learned the guy who started all that has a commercial interest in them. sad
I prefer organic carbon dosing for n and p management but that needs a skimmer so I don't tout it here. An ats may work fine and be fun for those so inclined , it needs needs some form of organic export though or DOC will just hang out ,build up and eventually cause trouble. IT is not a replacement fora skimmer. That isn't even claimed in those seemingly endless threads you citedIIRC. PErhaps yopu haven't hadtime to readthem or skipped through.
I said the corals I tried in my skimmerless tank did not do well even though NO3 and PO4 are low. In case you haven't read the whole thread pics are linked in post #64. They do just fine in the main sytem. Just to be clear. Certain corals , particularly those form more turbid waters seem to prefer more organics and less skimming. Some do not.
Thanks for the pictures and detail. That's helpful.
The corals in that tank are corals I would expect to thrive in higher organics( acanastrea, phlerogyra, cataphylia ,anthellia, lobophyton and some montipora) . It's good the two acros pictured are surviving but those are two hardy variants and the growth and color are not stellar by any means. Wahtw teh green crud in the tank btw.?
I have a red planet grown over several years along with several mini colonies and frags all from the same 1 in ch frag. The main colony is bigger than your head; I think. It's' a very hardy acro and seems to tolerate lot's of variable conditions much more so than most.
My beef is an unprovoked dismissive snide comment in response to a simple statement of fact. Skimmers remove some organics; algaes add them. followed by a blatant effort to turn a thread about skimmers and skimerless into an opinionated unsubstantiated ill informed ramble about turf scrubbers and an insistance that any questions about them mean one thinks they" don't work". I've seen it almost every time they are discussed. The simplest facts about how reef chemistry and biology work are thro wn aside as personal attacks on the ats users or the ats system and those with the temrity to raise a question are quidkly marginalized as non beilivers, who thin ats doesn't work and closed minded to new things. Yech, It makes no sense. . I get ats . I know what it does and doesn't do but I don't get the almost hysterical response to any suggestion that they have limits. It's nonsense.
I think they are a good tool for n and p reduction when properly sized ,lighted, provided with flow and ,seeded properly for those intersted in trying them. There are other methods too. But folks who wan't to use them should try them with an awarenes of their limits and pluses and some understanding of the algae and the negartive side of organic buildups. In other words , how things work not just "trust me" baloney.
I have read almost all the threads on them and was one of the original folks about five or six years ago on disscusion group about them. I was invited by the fellow who started that
(who shall be nameless here since I don't want to give him any attention
)but resigned after efforts to manipulate information by organizing folks via behind the back pms to attack those who raised questions were undertaken. Later I learned the guy who started all that has a commercial interest in them. sad
I prefer organic carbon dosing for n and p management but that needs a skimmer so I don't tout it here. An ats may work fine and be fun for those so inclined , it needs needs some form of organic export though or DOC will just hang out ,build up and eventually cause trouble. IT is not a replacement fora skimmer. That isn't even claimed in those seemingly endless threads you citedIIRC. PErhaps yopu haven't hadtime to readthem or skipped through.
