Small red marks on new ORA Picasso Clown

Tonym

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Hello everybody,

Been out of the hobby for a while, but trying to help a neighbor who just recently purchased small and large juvenile Picassos directly from ORA.

Clowns were received directly from ORA on Saturday the 24th, acclimated using the "recommended" method provided by LiveAquaria (1/2 cup water every 4 minutes).

Water in bag was 1.025 SG, PH 7.6, water in QT, 1.024, PH 8.2.

They are in a freshly cycled 20 gallon long QT, with 4 inch ceramic pot and some PVC, HOB filter, heater.

Parameters since introduction;
* SG - 1.024
* Temp - 78
* Ammonia/Nitrite = 0 (API/Salifert)
** Tested Morning, afternoon and night.
* 10% water change nightly


Timeline:
* Day 1-2, no eating, swimming around very rapidly as new clowns do, elevated breathing.
* Day 3 Clowns started eating, Mysis, Reef Frenzy, tigger pods, settled down in Pot hanging out together, started boding behavior, continued elevated breathing.
* Days 4-7, larger clown eating very well, smaller clown eating small bits here and there, continued elevated breathing.
* Day 8, larger clown eating slowed down, only eats brine shrimp and tigger pods, breathing still elevated small red mark develops on head.
* Day 9, small red marks start to appear on body, some slightly raised, still eating brine shrimp and tigger pods.
* Today, couple more red marks, others same size, still eating, elevated breathing, not lethargic, but hiding a bit.

No Prophylactic treatment has yet been administered.

My first reaction when he called yesterday was either Parasite (Brook), exposure to Ammonia or even aggression between the two. Given they came straight from ORA, I questioned the likelyhood of Brook.
It sill has good color, no powder or mucus developing, fins don't seem to be clamped, no flashing, Gills little swollen but don't appear red. Aggression between the two appears minimal.

First time I have seen these kind of red marks, so a little stumped.

Any insight would be greatly appreciated.
 

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Possible bacterial infection would be my guess. I agree that Brooklynella is unlikely given they came directly from ORA. I would start with a broad-spectrum antibiotic like kanamycin to see if things improve. It's good that they are still eating.
 
Agreed, I was starting to lean that way as well, he has Furan 2, hopefully we'll see some improvement.

Appreciate your feedback!
 
I am sorry to say this but that one clown is badly deformed. It's a shame ORA would ship something like that out to a customer who pays a premium price for clowns plus shipping. I really hope that it's the pictures making the clowns look worse than they probably are.
 
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Yeah, they definitely have some deformities...was suprised as well when I saw them.

As far as the spots, they look more like its rubbed them raw against the flower pot....some are slightly raised.
 
... at Brooklynella is unlikely given they came directly from ORA. ....
I suppose you've never seen freshly arrived ORA clowns. I've seen them at a store here and they where covered all over with white plaque. Not only did they arrive sick but also infected the whole system with brook.
And not only once but twice!
 
I suppose you've never seen freshly arrived ORA clowns. I've seen them at a store here and they where covered all over with white plaque. Not only did they arrive sick but also infected the whole system with brook.
And not only once but twice!

I think the assumption there is because ORA breeds in captivity their fish are not exposed to parasites such as Brook. I know a breeder here in U.S. that also got a couple of Bali Aquarich clowns that are raised in captivity but are still exposed to parasites because BA uses real ocean water. So he keeps BA clowns in a separate system not connected to his breeding pairs or baby clowns.
 
I don't think they require treatment, coloration should improve with diet/water quality and once they're established in the main system.
 
I don't think they require treatment, coloration should improve with diet/water quality and once they're established in the main system.

We decided to not treat them and observe for another day. Just got back from looking at them and the larger one looks better and eating a bit better as well. Breathing is not as rapid, and marks are not as pronounced. Smaller one is starting to eat more too.

I have feeling this had to do with acclimation. My gut tells me they were exposed to elevated ammonia too long during acclimation, and saw some delayed affects.
 
I have feeling this had to do with acclimation. My gut tells me they were exposed to elevated ammonia too long during acclimation, and saw some delayed affects.

How did you acclimate? What was the SG of the transport water?
 
How did you acclimate? What was the SG of the transport water?

He acclimated using the "Float" method provided by LiveAquaria (1/2 cup every 4 minutes), and mentioned it took around 45 minutes.

Bag water was 1.025 with a PH of 7.6, QT was 1.024 with a PH of 8.2.
 
He acclimated using the "Float" method provided by LiveAquaria (1/2 cup every 4 minutes), and mentioned it took around 45 minutes.

Bag water was 1.025 with a PH of 7.6, QT was 1.024 with a PH of 8.2.

Should have been a non-issue. Dropping SG down is less of an issue than raising SG and the difference was trivial in any case. As such your process was sound. I wish it were a bit faster . . . but should be no problem.
 
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