So I have a fish with ich. A brand new 20 gal Qt. And Ich Attack. Advice please.

[Electus unus]

What's my best bet, I have my main tank with one fish showing signs of ich (white dots...) so I bought a new 20 gal qt tank with all the accessories. I also bought a bottle of Ich attack, which despite SOME negative feedback for I've read from this site, my LFS as well as Petco swear by the stuff. Anybody with good experiences using this stuff?? Please share info.

Should I quarantine the one fish alone and treat the whole main tank while also treating him in the qt? Or would I be better off just leaving him in the main tank and treating it as a whole. Or is it really so much better to move all fish to the QT, and treat them with copper, while letting the lifespan of the ich to run it's course?

 

[HumbleFish]

Ich Attack (from the mfg website): 100% Organic Herbals Based

Nothing herbal based eradicates Ich.

 

[Electus unus]

I knew I was going to get comments like this, which is why I mentioned some negative feedback I've ALREADY heated from this site about the product. I've also heated really good things, and honestly, I'd like tips from people who HAVE HAD SUCCESS with the product. And that still didn't answer my question about quarantining ...

 

[Electus unus]

Heard* twice autocorrected...

 

[Deinonych]

You likely won't get any positive experiences with the product here, because it doesn't work.

As far as treatment goes, your best bet is to remove all fish to a dedicated hospital tank and treat using one of the methods suggested in the sticky at the top of this forum. Then leave your DT fallow (fishless) for 10 weeks.

 

[Reefahholic]

Ich Attack (from the mfg website): 100% Organic Herbals Based

Nothing herbal based eradicates Ich.

Humblefish is exactly right. You might put a bandaid on it, but you will not get rid of it.

If you want to rid the ICH for sure, get that fish out and put him in ur QT. Let your DT sit fallow for 72 days.

The fish in QT can be treated one of 3 proven ways:

1. Tank transfer
2. Seachem Cupramine Copper
3. Hyposalinity- However it's been reported that some strains of ICH are able to survive/ tolerate this treatment.

Most popular method is TT. I've listed them from most to least popular.

TT is highly effective and probably the easiest. I've had success with copper at a theraputic level, but it cannot drop below that for 4 weeks.

Good luck!

 

[Reefahholic]

I knew I was going to get comments like this, which is why I mentioned some negative feedback I've ALREADY heated from this site about the product. I've also heated really good things, and honestly, I'd like tips from people who HAVE HAD SUCCESS with the product. And that still didn't answer my question about quarantining ...

You WILL NOT have success with that product bro.

If you do not believe me, I can refer you to two people who will tell you the same thing because we've all been there done that.

One guy you can speak with is Snorvich. He is very knowledgeable about QT and disease treatment. He only has 29,000 posts here and wrote the stickys above.

I can refer you to another guy who nearly has 100,000 posts. Does that mean they can't error? No...but it does mean they have been around a long time and know their shittt.

The guy above (humblefish) is always here on the disease forum and has helped multiple people as well. He knows a lot about what he's talking about.

As for me, I don't know much of anything, but am a bit anal about ICH and have a few qt's at home. I'm QTing 3 mag's and a gig right now at the same time. Not to mention I have 4 other QT's going with a lot of other fish and my DT is currently running fallow.







Again, good luck! I wouldn't blow smoke up ur Azzz bro. I'm telling you the truth to help you.

 

[Reefahholic]

What's my best bet, I have my main tank with one fish showing signs of ich (white dots...) so I bought a new 20 gal qt tank with all the accessories. I also bought a bottle of Ich attack, which despite SOME negative feedback for I've read from this site, my LFS as well as Petco swear by the stuff. Anybody with good experiences using this stuff?? Please share info.

Should I quarantine the one fish alone and treat the whole main tank while also treating him in the qt? Or would I be better off just leaving him in the main tank and treating it as a whole. Or is it really so much better to move all fish to the QT, and treat them with copper, while letting the lifespan of the ich to run it's course?

Don't listen to anything petco employees tell you unless you know the person and that he or she is giving accurate information. For the record, I've used ICH attack, and like I said above- it's a quick fix, not a permanent solution.

Have you seen the fish at most Petco stores?

Here's a Petco fish from last week. Their tanks are infested with ICH, Velvet, Flukes, and a lot more.




Another fish bought at Petco.

 

[snorvich]

What's my best bet, I have my main tank with one fish showing signs of ich (white dots...) so I bought a new 20 gal qt tank with all the accessories. I also bought a bottle of Ich attack, which despite SOME negative feedback for I've read from this site, my LFS as well as Petco swear by the stuff. Anybody with good experiences using this stuff?? Please share info.

Should I quarantine the one fish alone and treat the whole main tank while also treating him in the qt? Or would I be better off just leaving him in the main tank and treating it as a whole. Or is it really so much better to move all fish to the QT, and treat them with copper, while letting the lifespan of the ich to run it's course?

I suggest you start reading here. It seems like you are looking for confirmation of your solution (which, as mentioned above, is not going to work) rather than help with your problem.

 

[snorvich]

Oh, and by the way, you should have mentioned that the one fish is a box fish. If your LFS sold you this fish as a new to the hobby person as your first fish, they are giving you poor advice.

 

[Electus unus]

Did nobody read the last line of my thread? I'm not saying any of you are wrong. I know it's just a quick/temp fix using ich attack. Which is why I mentioned copper..

 

[Electus unus]

Thanks for all input though.
Here's another question. Can I just quarantine my inverts and live rock, and treat my main tank with copper? Or will copper also effect my livesand?

 

[Electus unus]

Oh, and by the way, you should have mentioned that the one fish is a box fish. If your LFS sold you this fish as a new to the hobby person as your first fish, they are giving you poor advice.

I do my research on the fish I buy. I know all abot the toxins they can secrete under stress. For this, I'd kinda like to qt him separately.

 

[Reefahholic]

Thanks for all input though.
Here's another question. Can I just quarantine my inverts and live rock, and treat my main tank with copper? Or will copper also effect my livesand?

I wouldn't dose any copper in your DT. You may have problems down the road with corals. People say it can be removed, but others will not touch a tank that's medicated with copper. I wouldn't do it with sand in there. I'm sure the sand would absorb it and it will probably be hard to get out. It's just not a good idea and better to dose in your qt.

 

[Reefahholic]

I do my research on the fish I buy. I know all abot the toxins they can secrete under stress. For this, I'd kinda like to qt him separately.

Buy a 5/g tank at petco or walmart. cheap and will work for that small fish. then you can put the others in the 20/g.

 

[Electus unus]

^^^ this is the route I'll be going. My ammonia in the 20 now is almost to zero, nitrites steadily converting to nitrates. Will test waters tomorrow, hopefully I'll be ammonia and nitrite free. I've got water mixed for my water changes already, so that's a plus. I'm gettin ready to head to petco now for another 10 gal qt for the boxfish, which I'll just use water from the display and some safestart. I'll get this ich situation under control come hell or high water. Way to much money in this tank to watch it fail

 

[Spar]

which I'll just use water from the display and some safestart. I'll get this ich situation under control come hell or high water. Way to much money in this tank to watch it fail

off to a good start. QT is the way to go to not water the tank fail down the road.

if you are planning to keep your DT fallow for 72 days (necessary to rid Ich), then you will need to make sure you aren't using DT water for any future water changes in your QT tanks (the initial is OK since you are about to start treatment). I figure you already know this, but worth pointing out just in case!

 

[Reefahholic]

^^^ this is the route I'll be going. My ammonia in the 20 now is almost to zero, nitrites steadily converting to nitrates. Will test waters tomorrow, hopefully I'll be ammonia and nitrite free. I've got water mixed for my water changes already, so that's a plus. I'm gettin ready to head to petco now for another 10 gal qt for the boxfish, which I'll just use water from the display and some safestart. I'll get this ich situation under control come hell or high water. Way to much money in this tank to watch it fail

Welcome to the disease fourm. That's why we're all here. Most of us have had ICH and hate it. Not to mention all the other diseases. Good luck.:celeb1:

 

[Electus unus]

I have one more question. If I were to put sand in the qt, treat with copper, cure the ich, and place the fish back in dt; will the copper absorbed by the sand cause any problems down the line IF the qt stays as just that? A qt for new fish? I mean, if anything, the remaining copper should be good for any new fish in the qt for a few weeks right?

 

[scott3569]

OK this bring up and interesting question for me as I am just starting out, and don't even have water in my tank yet...

Can you treat for ich before you even put fish in so you don't have the issue??