Sock or no sock?

rogergolf66

im an addict lol
I have a 120 gal sps tank doing great growth is great color is great, but since I started feeding my sps I have to change my filter sock every 12 hours. After 2 months of this its getting old.

I am thinking about taking the sock off line. I have an extra large skimmer. I'm not running a refug. I am running the system with no sand. I am running a recirculating bio pellet reactor.

What r your thoughts? Also if I do this what do I need to watch out for as far as a negative effect?

Roger
 
We have the same tank with the same return pump. I'm guessing you're having bacterial blooms that is clogging up the sock
 
We have the same tank with the same return pump. I'm guessing you're having bacterial blooms that is clogging up the sock

Yes socks r clogging in less then 12 hours:(. Thought it was from dosing oyster feast as john recommended it to me. Well his staff did so I tried it. Haven't really seen coral improvement from it but I bought it so been using it till its gone anyways.

I never thought of it being from bacteria blooms but I guess it could be. My sump is filled with white sponge like stuff that I think is just bacteria.

How many socks does your sump have? Mine only has 1 wish it had more but I can't fit more :(
 
I only have one sock and change it about every 4 to 6 days. It's not the oyster feast that's killing you, it's most likely the bacterial slime.

Everything you do for SPS has to be in super slow motion. I'm going to start oysters this week but I'll start it with a couple of drops twice a week and work my way up.
 
I can't speak to oyster but I do have a small problem with cyano. I've noticed that sock needs to be changed a little more often. Could be evidence of the suggested bacterial bloom being a cause of sock packing.
 
I ditched my filter socks because I got tired of having to switch them out and clean them, I havent noticed any negative effect, although my sump gets dirty with detritus, I personally would rather clean out my sump every couple of months than weekly sock maintenance.
 
I can't speak to oyster but I do have a small problem with cyano. I've noticed that sock needs to be changed a little more often. Could be evidence of the suggested bacterial bloom being a cause of sock packing.

That's just my best guess, there is no way detritus is clogging a sock in 12 hours. It has to be a bacterial slime.

My guess is the system was shocked in one of a few ways. Adding carbon source and bacteria too quickly, ramping up feeding while using a bacterial system too quickly or something similar making large amounts of DOC's available to a bacterial mass.


But there is no way of knowing for sure without being there.
 
That's just my best guess, there is no way detritus is clogging a sock in 12 hours. It has to be a bacterial slime.

My guess is the system was shocked in one of a few ways. Adding carbon source and bacteria too quickly, ramping up feeding while using a bacterial system too quickly or something similar making large amounts of DOC's available to a bacterial mass.


But there is no way of knowing for sure without being there.

I can see this a maybe the issue. Anyway to stop the problem? I do have some white balls that I think r bacteria growing on the glass in the sump. I don't see any in the display. Should I clean the sump up? I was leaving the bacteria thinking it was helping keep the tank nutrients low?

Roger
 
I ditched my filter socks because I got tired of having to switch them out and clean them, I havent noticed any negative effect, although my sump gets dirty with detritus, I personally would rather clean out my sump every couple of months than weekly sock maintenance.

2x.

I run slow flow through my sump so the detritus just hangs out in the sump till I do a water change. I dont feed real heavy though so I dont know if that matters.
 
I changed from felt socks to mesh socks. I can let the mesh socks go for weeks if I want. They are a larger micron than the 200 micron felt sock. Whatever ends up getting past the sock is small enough to get taken care of by the skimmer. If detritus accumulates, I just take the turkey baster and blast it and the skimmer takes care of it.
 
I have 7 socks that are thrown out and replaced yearly. I've found that the sump and display stay much cleaner when I switch them out every day. With all the biological processes going on in a marine tank (especially a reef tank), the faster anything that might decay is removed the better. Our tanks just can't stay as clean as water change day all week/month. Our systems are in a constant state of decline unless we intervene and keep them as clean as we can. Use a filter sock for just one day and see what color it turns in 24 hours. If the sock didn't catch that junk where do you think it would go? Our skimmers are never going to remove detritus from our sumps. I don't even know how this came to be an accepted belief. My skimmer can't process detritus because it's heavier than water. Detritus doesn't magically get lifted up into the skimmer bubbles and wind up in the cup. I don't believe my skimmer is different from other ones either. Eventually, whatever the skimmer pump pulls in builds up inside the skimmer body and settles to the bottom where I have to manually remove it every couple months or so when I break down the skimmer and give it a good vinegar bath. I'm pretty sure most detritus passes right through the skimmer body and through the outlet back to the tank. I couldn't imagine how much detritus would be in my skimmer body/sump if I didn't use filter socks.

If detritus and particulates are freely moving through your sump, you're going to have more maintenance than the the 30 seconds it takes to replace a sock. All that gunk has to go somewhere, and it usually winds up on the bottom of your sump,in your sand bed, on your rocks and holed up in your circulation and return pumps where it builds up and causes other problems like nuisance algae, diatoms, high phosphate, nitrate, etc. Stirring your shallow sand bed, changing your filter socks, turkey basting the live rock and scraping the glass panels in your tank more than once or twice per week can go a long way in avoiding old tank syndrome IMHO. It literally takes me less than 5 minutes to do all of the above if I do them more frequently. I've actually found that there is less and less accumulation of detritus and decay as the months roll on and the tank matures. That's a lot easier than mixing up "oh no" large quantities of seawater and changing out expensive medias more frequently to lower nutrients when things start to go astray.

I also don't subscribe to the old belief of keeping my hands out of the tank and letting things be. I feel that's how most people eventually get in trouble trying to catch up, and inevitably dealing with old tank syndrome. That doesn't mean I touch all my corals and move things around all the time. In fact, I never, or rarely do. My hands are probably in my system at least 6 times a week cleaning, tweaking and just generally checking to make sure everything's working right. I've got 5 minutes a day, so why not? If you don't have a few minutes a day, this isn't the easiest of hobbies.

Of all the maintenance tasks necessary to keep an SPS reef thriving, 30 seconds to change a sock doesn't seem very labor intensive to me at all. You can vaccuum a "sockless" sump every week, but much of that detritus is making its' way back to the tank where it will slowly add to the nutrient stores in the tank. You're not getting it all...or even a majority of it. I keep a bucket in my garage with all the dirty filter socks and a plastic bag next to the sump under the tank with the clean ones. It takes me longer to feed the fish, which is why I'm confused why some view it as a nagging chore.

Socks for me.
 
I agree that detritus collects in the skimmer but I usually never get more than a dusting on the sump floor. The more I stir it up the more It goes through the pin wheel and gets smaller and smaller until the skimmer is capable of taking it out. Maybe Its the flow I have in the sump. I have about 400GPH going through the sump for higher contact time and various powerheads to keep the dirt in suspension. Again I use the mesh filter socks to catch the big debris, I feel that is important.
 
I have 7 socks that are thrown out and replaced yearly. I've found that the sump and display stay much cleaner when I switch them out every day. With all the biological processes going on in a marine tank (especially a reef tank), the faster anything that might decay is removed the better. Our tanks just can't stay as clean as water change day all week/month. Our systems are in a constant state of decline unless we intervene and keep them as clean as we can. Use a filter sock for just one day and see what color it turns in 24 hours. If the sock didn't catch that junk where do you think it would go? Our skimmers are never going to remove detritus from our sumps. I don't even know how this came to be an accepted belief. My skimmer can't process detritus because it's heavier than water. Detritus doesn't magically get lifted up into the skimmer bubbles and wind up in the cup. I don't believe my skimmer is different from other ones either. Eventually, whatever the skimmer pump pulls in builds up inside the skimmer body and settles to the bottom where I have to manually remove it every couple months or so when I break down the skimmer and give it a good vinegar bath. I'm pretty sure most detritus passes right through the skimmer body and through the outlet back to the tank. I couldn't imagine how much detritus would be in my skimmer body/sump if I didn't use filter socks.

If detritus and particulates are freely moving through your sump, you're going to have more maintenance than the the 30 seconds it takes to replace a sock. All that gunk has to go somewhere, and it usually winds up on the bottom of your sump,in your sand bed, on your rocks and holed up in your circulation and return pumps where it builds up and causes other problems like nuisance algae, diatoms, high phosphate, nitrate, etc. Stirring your shallow sand bed, changing your filter socks, turkey basting the live rock and scraping the glass panels in your tank more than once or twice per week can go a long way in avoiding old tank syndrome IMHO. It literally takes me less than 5 minutes to do all of the above if I do them more frequently. I've actually found that there is less and less accumulation of detritus and decay as the months roll on and the tank matures. That's a lot easier than mixing up "oh no" large quantities of seawater and changing out expensive medias more frequently to lower nutrients when things start to go astray.

I also don't subscribe to the old belief of keeping my hands out of the tank and letting things be. I feel that's how most people eventually get in trouble trying to catch up, and inevitably dealing with old tank syndrome. That doesn't mean I touch all my corals and move things around all the time. In fact, I never, or rarely do. My hands are probably in my system at least 6 times a week cleaning, tweaking and just generally checking to make sure everything's working right. I've got 5 minutes a day, so why not? If you don't have a few minutes a day, this isn't the easiest of hobbies.

Of all the maintenance tasks necessary to keep an SPS reef thriving, 30 seconds to change a sock doesn't seem very labor intensive to me at all. You can vaccuum a "sockless" sump every week, but much of that detritus is making its' way back to the tank where it will slowly add to the nutrient stores in the tank. You're not getting it all...or even a majority of it. I keep a bucket in my garage with all the dirty filter socks and a plastic bag next to the sump under the tank with the clean ones. It takes me longer to feed the fish, which is why I'm confused why some view it as a nagging chore.

Socks for me.

It's not about the chore of it. It's the fact that the sock is filling up so quick. Some times I change it right before bed then I go to change it when I wake up and it's already overflowed. And I don't sleep in. Maybe a need a new thread. Why is my sock filling up so fast and how do I fix that?

Roger
 
Is your skimmer working well? If it is the bacteria from the biopellets, your skimmer should be pulling that out. Maybe you have to many biopellets producing to much bacteria for you skimmer to handle if thats posible? That slime could definitely be the culprit I run the same set up and I dont have have that problem.

As far as the oyster eggs go,when I feed I usually change the sock right after anyways. However, I found that just adding some once and a while has little effect. You need to let ur tanks saturate.I also feel you need to do it more often at first because the first couple times you do it the corals arn't used to whats going on.My biopellets pull out all my nitrates but my phosphates still creep up. Once they get to high I'll nuke the tank and lit it sit with out the return pump on for about 2 hours. I get a much better reaction from my corals this way. In tern that raises my nitrates enough to bring my phosphates back down. You arn't feeding daily are you?
 
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Ok so I noticed my bio pellet reactor clumping up so I took it out and took it apart. It was filled solid with bacteria I mean caked on thick over all the pipes and pump and so on. When cleaning it I broke a diffuser plate so I couldn't put it back in the tank. The next day when I went to change the sock.... It wasn't even close to over flowing. Looks like I found the problem!!!!

So now what do u think the changes will be in the tank with all that bacteria that was in the water column now not being there? My corals had great color and great growth. Will anything change and if so why?

Roger
 
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