Solaris Led lighting systems

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<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=8038029#post8038029 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Untamed12
Ok...I had to read that a few times, but I think I understand what you are saying.

According to the Solaris website, a 72" Solaris draws 450W (6 x 75W arrays). If I were to light 72"L x 24"W with 250W MH, I would need 3 of them. That suggests that I'm using 450W instead of 750W. (40% less power used)

So..you are saying that in the above example that I would be getting 40% less PUR?


YES!


The comparison they make is the most efficient part of the LED spectrum (Blue) against the least efficient part of the spectrum on halides (blue).

Dana riddle justifies that getting less for less by saying that most aquarists have too much light anyways. WHich I agree with, but is just a stupid argument. You could run 175s instead.
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=8038077#post8038077 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by cindyolson
All I know is that when I went to MH from PC my cost went up $200 per month. I know it's due to chiller running more and MH using more power the PC. It'll cost me $800 per year to replace bulbs in MH fixture and even if I recoop $100 in electrical savings it'll pay for itself inside of 2 years. My only worry is the tank itself. I'm keeping the MH fixture for at least 6 months in case it doesn't work out. Expensive test, but may be worth it in the end.


$800 a year to replace bulbs? What are you running, 12 x 250?


Like I said, the efficiency here is almost exactlyt he same. Any decrease in wattage you see is going to come with a direct decrease in usable light. Same with decreases in heat.


you'd recoup your money better by removing one or 2 of the halides. You'd still have more par than the solaris.
 
Cindy, there are people on RC who know everything. Even without trying it. Or make inaccurate factual statements on just about every thread I see. Kinda like the 1400W of light 24hr/day - when they don't take a chiller into account. Or that it takes a $5K Bubble King to equal a sub $2K Deltec. I really don't know where they get the time.

Put it up, I'm sure you'll love it - and let us know how it works. There are many ways to skin a cat and I'm sure this is a very viable way, with other benefits. I'd love to come by & see it sometime.

africangrey - lots of people spend that kinda money on lighting. They just don't hang around websites. Particularly outside the US. Do some searches on Interzoo and you'll see US reefers are quite a bit different than European/Asian reefers.
 
I like everyone. ;-) But he does seem to post incorrect information with authority, and I'll correct or at least give my opinion any time I see it. As I would hope someone would correct me if I gave incorrect info. I probably bite my tongue more often than I'd like.

As a few of us "early adopters" have found out, there is no shortage of people to ridicule you when you try a new product - and it doesn't fall into their paradigm of "the perfect reef tank". And they are usually my way or the highway type folks.

I hope somewhere down the line LED lighting equals MH, and you gotta start somewhere.
 
The lighting sytem looks nice but very pricy.I don't know if its worth the price.Some of the guissmen systems are just as expensive so I don't know if you would compare this system to that brand.I do like the fact that you can dim the lights and play around with it.I don't know if I would buy it at the present cost.Flinger hows the tunze 9020I ordered mine I should get it this week
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=8038679#post8038679 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Fliger
Cindy, there are people on RC who know everything. Even without trying it. Or make inaccurate factual statements on just about every thread I see. Kinda like the 1400W of light 24hr/day - when they don't take a chiller into account. Or that it takes a $5K Bubble King to equal a sub $2K Deltec. I really don't know where they get the time.

Thank gad for this post! :p I've bitten my tongue so many times reading some of the crap you mentioned above. You go Cliff Clavin :cool: IF these answers are even remotely correct, who has time to calculate this sort of useless trivia/facts? Someone who's 46 and lives at home with their mother :rolleyes: The tone of these posts kinda reminds me of some of the bare-bottom posters who used to cause arguements (before that mass exodus), let's try not to relive those days...

Cindy, I hope you are extremely happy with your new lighting. In the long run I think there will definitely be savings, just make sure you keep us updated with pics and your results! :D
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=8040527#post8040527 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Fliger
there is no shortage of people to ridicule you when you try a new product - and it doesn't fall into their paradigm of "the perfect reef tank". And they are usually my way or the highway type folks.

Well said, Fliger. Thanks for posting.
 
Aloha,

There seems to be quite a few misconceptions being touted as facts. I'm not sure of the motivation of a few individuals, but doing some homework before posting would be appreciated - it's your credibility, not mine.

I've invested $60,000 of my own $ in lab equipment so I don't have to rely on opinions. I'm disappointed to see that self-appointed experts want to claim that I got the Solaris unit for 'free' (I did not).

I've been writing for aquarium magazines since 1984 and I will not sell my intregrity for any price.

In situations where artificial lighting is required, I am using a Solaris. No UV, no heat and darn little wasted light - just as the article said. My decision - backed up with facts, not heresay or idle opinions.

Dana
 
Dana,
I truly believe you are missing the whole point here. There are a lot of hobbyists out here “myself included” who WANT to use the latest and best technology on their Reef systems available. I myself am more than willing to purchase a LED hood, when “AND ONLY WHEN” they can meet the requirements that my Reef/SPS tank needs. There is absolutely nothing against PFO, as I use a custom PFO MH/VHO fixture as my primary lighting over my main display currently, and I absolutely love it. It is a first class unit.
As far as your claim to purchase your Solaris, in your article you did claim to receive a beta unit.
QUOTE: “I was fortunate enough to receive a beta model from PFO for testing. Although this prototype lacks some of the progressive features of the production models, it enabled me to evaluate a high intensity LED array. The prototype I received has 25 3-watt LED lamps (13 blue and 12 white) with an advertised Kelvin rating of 20,000” unquote
As far as the article is concerned, truly Dana Riddle, to me, this did read like a biased advertisement. I was disappointed to say the least that you did not perform any “real world” testing on this unit. And not like you performed any tests that did not reiterate/propagate PFO’s own biased claims. Did you check this, or did you just take PFO’s word for it before you printed it?
QUOTE: “PFO claims the electronics within the luminaire are encapsulated with a material impervious to the inevitable salt spray. Unprotected circuitry was an issue with some of the LED banks produced 5 or so years ago. PFO has apparently overcome this problem and their protective circuit coating should go a long way in preventing corrosion.”unquote
You claim to have tested the LED light fixture against a lamp that is not used in the real world reef/sps systems, as did PFO. I.E: the LED performed at X% PAR as compared to X MH, which in the real world is only X% of PAR compared to a bulb that is actually used in this hobby. This is “REEF CENTRAL” BTW and most of us have reef tanks and many have SPS, and we have been keeping an eye on LED technology. Are you telling me now that the SOLARIS unit will meet all the lighting requirements/needs of my SPS/Reef Tank?
I guess I’ll wait for Sanjay’s test, at least we can be rest assured that his testing will be more unskewed/real world unbiased testing that we have all been looking forward to, so we can make a better decision on whether this technology has truly reached our hobby yet.
Thank you all for your time.
 
I have to agree....being rather new to the posting thing here on RC, that people are quick to take off the gloves and start swinging, if your opinion differs from theirs.....one thing I know is that LED lighting looks pretty cool, and we have to start somewhere, I remember when I got my first 175 watt MH, the spectrum was somewhere around 2700k, I added some Actintic 40watt flourescents to it, and well, believe it or not, the tank looked awesome, and the corals/rock flourished, now here we are 15+ years later, and looking into LED lights...... times change, everyone is entitled to an opinion, just dont rip someones head off for dissagreeing with your opinion. Cindy enjoy the lights, post some pictures up, and let us know what you think!
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=8038679#post8038679 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Fliger
Cindy, there are people on RC who know everything. Even without trying it. Or make inaccurate factual statements on just about every thread I see. Kinda like the 1400W of light 24hr/day - when they don't take a chiller into account. Or that it takes a $5K Bubble King to equal a sub $2K Deltec. I really don't know where they get the time.

Put it up, I'm sure you'll love it - and let us know how it works. There are many ways to skin a cat and I'm sure this is a very viable way, with other benefits. I'd love to come by & see it sometime.

africangrey - lots of people spend that kinda money on lighting. They just don't hang around websites. Particularly outside the US. Do some searches on Interzoo and you'll see US reefers are quite a bit different than European/Asian reefers.

Fliger, give it up. Its quite clear you dont like me, but absolutely NONE of the above has anything to do with this thread.


Please point out ANYTHING in my post about the solaris that is innacurate.
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=8040527#post8040527 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Fliger
I like everyone. ;-) But he does seem to post incorrect information with authority, and I'll correct or at least give my opinion any time I see it. As I would hope someone would correct me if I gave incorrect info. I probably bite my tongue more often than I'd like.

As a few of us "early adopters" have found out, there is no shortage of people to ridicule you when you try a new product - and it doesn't fall into their paradigm of "the perfect reef tank". And they are usually my way or the highway type folks.

I hope somewhere down the line LED lighting equals MH, and you gotta start somewhere.

Fliger, please point out what is innacurate about what i Have posted in this thread, and back it up with facts.
 
theatrus, how do you figure 20-30 per Lux III volume priced? They retail for less than $10 each including the optic.
 
Acroholic,

To be fair, I wouldn't bothered doing real world tests on a prototype. Why?, the results will be different from production models.

Why do folks get hung up on PAR and such. Let's wait until a few production units get out there and see what people think of them. I have a friend who uses 3 - 250w 20K bulbs over a 28" deep 265g tank. On paper you would think that it wouldn't work, but the results speak for themselves.

toastman,

I'm glad someone remembers the old days. That 175w 2700K lighting system probably cost you $500 a unit also. I think reading negative posts about a product that hasn't been realeased yet gets tiring.

I'm looking forward to this new technology. If allwe ever did was sit around and pick apart new aquarium products, we would most likely discourage many manufacturers from developing new products.
 
Steve - you must be comparing the Solaris to the 260 Moonlight Giesemann. The other cool Giesemanns aren't released yet. The 230 Eco is ok, but there is a fatal flaw in the design with the T5's right next to the MH. Worth the price usually should read "worth the price for me" though. Kinda like my chiller - it was a few hundred more than a standard chiller but it was extremely worth it for me. Just like the Solaris will be extremely worth it for some people. Oh and I'm really happy with the 9010 still. I don't know about the 9020, never seen one, please let us know how it works!

I'm just happy Cindy lives close to me. I love some of the options that Solaris has, it might work really well especially on my 20" deep tank.

LOL Rich. Trust me, there are plenty of people who feel the same way about anyone who runs around RC knowing it all, you just seem to be the poster boy. There are so many comments, such as the $200 comment (have you ever owned a 200+ gallon system with a chiller?), the $5K BK vs Deltec statement (that one really makes me laugh), recently the tank needing to be +30" to use 400W - all said with such fact, its laughable. You seem to know everything, with your 58G tank.

Its not that I don't like you, as I mentioned before - but having OWNED and USED a lot of equipment rather than just reading about them the internet - if I see something false I'll usually point it out. But spam on, buddy!
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=8039881#post8039881 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by steve the plumb
Flinger

I like that. :D

Example: Some dude cut me off on the highway, so I gave him the Flinger.
 
A lot the early posts in this thread are comparing one 25 LED bank of Solaris lighting to one 250w MH bulb using the data from Dana's review in Advanced Aquarist.

But don't a majority of people with 48" tanks probably have only 2 halide bulbs over their 48" tanks, whereas the 48" Solaris fixture will have 4 banks of 25 LEDs each? Doesn't that work in favor of the Solaris - not that it will necessarily match high output MH bulbs, but I would think the 4 banks of LEDs vs 2 halides surely makes it a lot closer than some of the posts on this thread would make it appear.

Am I missing something?
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=8045304#post8045304 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by guilford
Am I missing something?

YES.....50watts....QUOTE FROM ARTICLE: "the 75-watt Solaris produced 89.4% of the PAR generated by the 250-watt XM 20,000K lamp."

They are comparing an entire LED fixture output to one 250W XM20k bulb.......
 
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