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Recty
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It came from christmas island which is pretty controlled, I dont believe they cyanide there at all.
I'm kind of in agreement with what billsreef is talking about, something like that killing it off, although it sure it weird that it was totally healthy until a day ago then BAM, dead.
I'm kind of in agreement with what billsreef is talking about, something like that killing it off, although it sure it weird that it was totally healthy until a day ago then BAM, dead.
LuvAngels88
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Recty, I am so sorry about your little Goldflake. 
I wished we could find out what happened to the little guys. So strange.
I wished we could find out what happened to the little guys. So strange.
Recty
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Yeah, it sucks. Not a single mark on the goldflake, he looked pristine still, so definitely something internal.
I'd hesitate to blame it on his tankmates causing it through continual stress... only the achilles even seemed to care the goldflake was around, the dussu and the emperor let the little goldflake swim right up and chill with them, they seemed to like the company
The achilles used to chase him around quite a bit but there was never any contact and after a couple days of that, the achilles only ever reacted to the goldflakes presence with a slight chase, sometimes the goldflake didnt even bother moving.
Maybe they dont take to hypo well? Your goldflake also up and died while in hypo, who knows, maybe that is the thing that pushes them over the edge, when they are small they just cant handle it as well as the bigger angels can?
I'd hesitate to blame it on his tankmates causing it through continual stress... only the achilles even seemed to care the goldflake was around, the dussu and the emperor let the little goldflake swim right up and chill with them, they seemed to like the company
The achilles used to chase him around quite a bit but there was never any contact and after a couple days of that, the achilles only ever reacted to the goldflakes presence with a slight chase, sometimes the goldflake didnt even bother moving.Maybe they dont take to hypo well? Your goldflake also up and died while in hypo, who knows, maybe that is the thing that pushes them over the edge, when they are small they just cant handle it as well as the bigger angels can?
ccampbell57
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Goldflakes are very sensative fish. Add in the stress of shipping from CXI, being placed in a tank with ich and then having the tank go down to hypo and then place him in the main tank with large aggressive angels 3-4 times his size. This is why the GF didn't make it. There was no cyanide used to catch these dish they were all properly caught.
I am seeing this issue more and more these days. The fish needs time to relax and recover from the deep stress that it has experienced. I warned Grant about this from the beginning and have done the same with others. Please let this be a lesson to all those outthere that proper quarantinig methods are a MUST in this hobby. Without them you are setting these beautiful fish up for a severe downfall
I am seeing this issue more and more these days. The fish needs time to relax and recover from the deep stress that it has experienced. I warned Grant about this from the beginning and have done the same with others. Please let this be a lesson to all those outthere that proper quarantinig methods are a MUST in this hobby. Without them you are setting these beautiful fish up for a severe downfall
LuvAngels88
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Well, my GF was in a QT tank by himself with a few LPS corals only. He came down with ich and I removed the corals and proceeded to hypo the tank, taking a week to do so. During this time, he was eating like a pig, was very active, and the ich cleared up. A day after the tank water tested at 1.009, he was inactive and would not eat. That night, he was gone.
Recty
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Well, Chris makes it sound like I would rather eat babies than quarantine a fish, which is not true.
I fully planned on quarantining the fish, however, I didn't want to copper right away, I wanted the fish to get settled in and eating before I medicated. The achilles it came in with had a really bad case of ich which I saw when I was acclimating, so I made a quick decision to place the goldflake in the sump of my main tank instead of into QT. I still think that was a better idea than taking a very small fish, before it was even eating and still totally stressed from being shipped all over, and immediately treating with copper.
IDEALLY, I would have had two quarantine tanks up and running but I didn't, since I wasn't aware it would work out like this.
Anyway, long story short, I did make some mistakes down the line and I admit that. I do not think the emperor had anything to do with the gold flake dying though, I never once saw even the slightest bit of aggression towards the gold flake. They used to swim together, the gold flake would follow the emperor around and vice versa, there was never even a fin flare that I saw. The goldflake had the whole back of the tank to himself, the rock work is such that a small fish can go back into a lot of caves and hidey holes but nothing big can fit in, so he wasnt being picked on at all. The only aggression I ever saw was from the achilles and you can clearly see in the couple videos I posted that the gold flake wasnt suffering from it. I really dont blame other fish as a cause of death or even stress.
If I could go back and do it all again, I'd simply have set up two QT tanks before the fish arrived and hopefully things would have been different.
I fully planned on quarantining the fish, however, I didn't want to copper right away, I wanted the fish to get settled in and eating before I medicated. The achilles it came in with had a really bad case of ich which I saw when I was acclimating, so I made a quick decision to place the goldflake in the sump of my main tank instead of into QT. I still think that was a better idea than taking a very small fish, before it was even eating and still totally stressed from being shipped all over, and immediately treating with copper.
IDEALLY, I would have had two quarantine tanks up and running but I didn't, since I wasn't aware it would work out like this.
Anyway, long story short, I did make some mistakes down the line and I admit that. I do not think the emperor had anything to do with the gold flake dying though, I never once saw even the slightest bit of aggression towards the gold flake. They used to swim together, the gold flake would follow the emperor around and vice versa, there was never even a fin flare that I saw. The goldflake had the whole back of the tank to himself, the rock work is such that a small fish can go back into a lot of caves and hidey holes but nothing big can fit in, so he wasnt being picked on at all. The only aggression I ever saw was from the achilles and you can clearly see in the couple videos I posted that the gold flake wasnt suffering from it. I really dont blame other fish as a cause of death or even stress.
If I could go back and do it all again, I'd simply have set up two QT tanks before the fish arrived and hopefully things would have been different.
DamnPepShrimp
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Sorry to hear either goldflake made it recty or luvangels.
ccampbell57
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"Eating babies"...lol not true.
Your decision to keep the GF in the sump was perfect. Your mistake was similar to many in this hobby where you wanted to see the fish in the DT and moved him prematurely.
Your decision to keep the GF in the sump was perfect. Your mistake was similar to many in this hobby where you wanted to see the fish in the DT and moved him prematurely.
Recty
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Well, I asked you if you thought it would be OK if I moved him to the DT once I got rid of my triggers and even you thought it would be OK as long as he was eating fine and healthy, we had that chat.
Personally, I dont think moving him to the DT was the killer, but you have more experience with angelfish than me for sure. I literally saw no aggression between the big angel and the little...
They liked to hang around together, this isnt a picture of the emperor and the dussu chasing the goldflake, this was all of them moving along the sides of the tank picking at rock and when they got over towards the couch, I snapped a picture.
I dont feel aggression from other fish has anything to do with the death, but like I said, you have more experience than I do with little angels for sure.
In the end, I wish I had purchased a larger goldflake, more in the 4-5 inch range. This one was so much smaller than what I had planned, it was supposed to be a 3" and came in at 2".
Personally, I dont think moving him to the DT was the killer, but you have more experience with angelfish than me for sure. I literally saw no aggression between the big angel and the little...
They liked to hang around together, this isnt a picture of the emperor and the dussu chasing the goldflake, this was all of them moving along the sides of the tank picking at rock and when they got over towards the couch, I snapped a picture.
I dont feel aggression from other fish has anything to do with the death, but like I said, you have more experience than I do with little angels for sure.
In the end, I wish I had purchased a larger goldflake, more in the 4-5 inch range. This one was so much smaller than what I had planned, it was supposed to be a 3" and came in at 2".
barbianj
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Agreed that many people do this, but for the Goldflake is was more of a size difference. Outwardly, the fish seemed to be doing fine. Conversely, I see some people with QT tanks that are too small, or just not suited well for the fish's mental well being. You will never know what stresses your fish have gone through before you receive them. Now that dude from Israel that was holding the fish out of water so he and his buddies could get their pictures taken with them, that's just wrong.
fender4string
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Man, what bad luck you're having lately. That news really sucks. The goldflake was was cool little fish. Maybe it was just me but from your posts you seemed kind of attached to the little guy.
At least the achilles is still truckin'.
At least the achilles is still truckin'.
Recty
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Well, time to move on, the goldflake is dead and all I can do is learn from my mistakes. Yes, I was attached to the little guy, he was probably my second favorite fish ever and my wife named him Tiny
I'll have a chance to put my new respect for QT into action as I've got some new fish coming in today from Diver's Den.
These guys will be going through a nice strict QT procedure before getting anywhere near my main tank.
I'm actually thinking I'm going to copper my main tank here shortly too. I'll probably finish up hypo and then treat with copper.
I'll have a chance to put my new respect for QT into action as I've got some new fish coming in today from Diver's Den.
These guys will be going through a nice strict QT procedure before getting anywhere near my main tank.
I'm actually thinking I'm going to copper my main tank here shortly too. I'll probably finish up hypo and then treat with copper.
fender4string
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I'm curious too. I'll be checking for pics later.
Sorry man.
I lost my flame during hypo. It swelled up and died. My clown trig started swelling too and that was when I added salt back into the tank. Actually I sucked out water, added salt, stirred, poured back in....repeat.
My flagfin or poor man's goldflake is fine and in the display after a week in QT. It has been in since Saturday. The big blue line would chase it, but then stopped. The titan though would fly at it and try to get it. Saw that once and pulled the titan out. It is in the sump now. BTW, that fish is 5.25", much more than 4.5" I thought it was. But now nothing bothers it. The purple tang was the first to chase it back to one area, then the big blue, then the titan. Now none and I'm not sure when titan is going back in.
My opinion is too much change on the little dude and perhaps hypo was that final straw. I will copper before I hypo from my experience last year.
Your comment on the multiple QT's, I agree 100%. I coppered my 55 school tank and have the pbt in there as a big QT, the 10 with the queen trig is now copper too just to be safe.
So, either buy one new fish at a time, or in your case where most are being shipped in so buying a few at once saves money, multiple tanks are in order. A 10 gallon is fine for a fish 7" or less for a 30 day period. Most fish I should say, you have to watch, but about 5 lbs of LR, little $10 power filter from walmart and a shop light and instant QT.
I lost my flame during hypo. It swelled up and died. My clown trig started swelling too and that was when I added salt back into the tank. Actually I sucked out water, added salt, stirred, poured back in....repeat.
My flagfin or poor man's goldflake is fine and in the display after a week in QT. It has been in since Saturday. The big blue line would chase it, but then stopped. The titan though would fly at it and try to get it. Saw that once and pulled the titan out. It is in the sump now. BTW, that fish is 5.25", much more than 4.5" I thought it was. But now nothing bothers it. The purple tang was the first to chase it back to one area, then the big blue, then the titan. Now none and I'm not sure when titan is going back in.
My opinion is too much change on the little dude and perhaps hypo was that final straw. I will copper before I hypo from my experience last year.
Your comment on the multiple QT's, I agree 100%. I coppered my 55 school tank and have the pbt in there as a big QT, the 10 with the queen trig is now copper too just to be safe.
So, either buy one new fish at a time, or in your case where most are being shipped in so buying a few at once saves money, multiple tanks are in order. A 10 gallon is fine for a fish 7" or less for a 30 day period. Most fish I should say, you have to watch, but about 5 lbs of LR, little $10 power filter from walmart and a shop light and instant QT.
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ccampbell57
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Personally the 2" was the right way to go with the GF. We did chat about moving him, but I was still not a fan.
Anyway, what is done is done and we have all made mistakes (I have a freezer full of them) in fact, that makes for a great new thread.
Anyway, what is done is done and we have all made mistakes (I have a freezer full of them) in fact, that makes for a great new thread.
Recty
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I got a 5" blueface... water is really cloudy and smell bad, lots of uneaten food (looks like mysis shrimp eyes) and a lot of poop in the water too.
A pair of cleaner shrimp, I'm really looking forward to shrimp again...
A pair of fire shrimp... I had two of these in my old 75g reef and loved them.
A red sea raccoon, which I've always been a big fan of...
And then the one I'm nervous about, a 4" majestic angel. This guy worries me a little. The water was really dirty with this guy too, even worse than the blue face. Both of their water was real yellow and smelly.
Everyone is acclimating now, we will see how it goes.
A pair of cleaner shrimp, I'm really looking forward to shrimp again...
A pair of fire shrimp... I had two of these in my old 75g reef and loved them.
A red sea raccoon, which I've always been a big fan of...
And then the one I'm nervous about, a 4" majestic angel. This guy worries me a little. The water was really dirty with this guy too, even worse than the blue face. Both of their water was real yellow and smelly.
Everyone is acclimating now, we will see how it goes.
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