Some pics of my anem tank

[cschweitzer]

Oh and by the way, the names you've been seeing here are regulars on the clownfishes and anemones forum and answer many questions and are very helpful to newbies with problems, so try to keep your posts constructive if you would like the same respect

 

[cschweitzer]

I implore you to go to www.rareclownfish.com and ask them what they think.

 

[kttsf]

cschweitzer, Excellent!!!

 

[cschweitzer]

I've got a great idea!!! Let's put copper into our coral tanks...I mean, it would be an experience. then I can come on here and tell everybody how everything died within 24 hours. But hey, that would be the same respect you give all your stuff, right guys?



By the way, anyone reading this, here is the disclaimer:

***Do no add copper to your coral tanks...it will kill everything in there. But then again, people may want to try it still and see if this is exactly what happens or not...hey, something might even live for 25 hours, breaking the one day crap out that would be expected***

 

[GSMguy]

what would our motivation be besides concern?


you people dont care about the fish?

 

[DarkDevil]

wow, all those readings... ok let me clear myself since it seems like I am the one who is getting the attack now.

first, I don't stand by that guy who keep dozens of fish in the tank, and clearly I don't have dozen of fish in my tank either. also I don't do crazy practices and I don't run my tank like a frankenstein. check out the tank that I build from scratch, all I want is easy and simple, I don't have crazy pipings, crazy pumps, or crazy additives and supplements in my tank, all I have is 2 parts and ultralith.

that being said, from all the years that I was reading on RC, and a lot of the forums on the internet. some ppl clearly don't follow the general idea or they simply don't read what other ppl's experiences or what they are trying to get across. but what worse is, there are just these mobs of people, who act like police and trying to tell people what to do or what not to do. they gang up and just "attack" these poor people, maybe these poor souls are stupid or just don't care, why can't you educate or help them instead of throwing words at them and try to embrass them as much as possible?

Even if you guys are so educated in marine science, the way you presented to the public didn't appeal to me at all. I am sure Fenner, Calfo, or Borneman doesn't agree with that tank at all, but I am also sure they won't just come here and bash this thread up by showing pics and being sacastic either. If you guys are that good, persuade that poor guy to change his attitude towards his tank, let him understand why in long run it is not going to work. if you guys can do that, then I am impressed, otherwise, please keep it in your own "anemone and clown fish forum". Peace.

 

[GSMguy]

the only reason this spilled over is because two days ago we got these pics now he wont respond to our questions and keeps starting new posts DarkDevil you have dont nothing wrong i am sorry to make you feel that way but dont take a bullet for this guy

 

[cschweitzer]

Coming on and calling yourself a professional I think is what threw everybody off. A professional would not do this, because they would know better.


Here is a link to where it started from. Could the advice given have been handled differently? Yes. But also coming onto a thread where people are asking questions and there are a lot of new people seeing all these things and loving it and wanting to try it, here that this self-proclaimed professional is doing it, they think they can too.
http://reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=1058606

I din't mean to attack you, I meant only to clarify what we meant. The reason I posted the way I did was because you had many comments about his tank and about our comments and I think a few of them needed clarification.

We are not geniuses, many of us are not marine biologists. But many of us do give a huge portion of our lives to this hobby and to tell us that we do not respect our animals came off a little snide. Telling us that eating a fish(or cow in your example) is the same as killing it as a pet may have been a little harsh, also.

Not meant as an attack, more of a defense. Again, I think this whole thread could have been much more productive going about it a different way. I am greatly in this hobby to promote conservation, promote better reefcaretaking for everyone, especially me, learn new and exciting things, many of which have not been tried before, and to help keep the enthusiasm of all the new reefers because the more that stick with it, the more people fighting for our cause. Please read the other thread and I think you will understand where we are coming from.

 

[redvipe2010]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9369003#post9369003 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by DarkDevil
wow, all those readings... ok let me clear myself since it seems like I am the one who is getting the attack now.

first, I don't stand by that guy who keep dozens of fish in the tank, and clearly I don't have dozen of fish in my tank either. also I don't do crazy practices and I don't run my tank like a frankenstein. check out the tank that I build from scratch, all I want is easy and simple, I don't have crazy pipings, crazy pumps, or crazy additives and supplements in my tank, all I have is 2 parts and ultralith.

that being said, from all the years that I was reading on RC, and a lot of the forums on the internet. some ppl clearly don't follow the general idea or they simply don't read what other ppl's experiences or what they are trying to get across. but what worse is, there are just these mobs of people, who act like police and trying to tell people what to do or what not to do. they gang up and just "attack" these poor people, maybe these poor souls are stupid or just don't care, why can't you educate or help them instead of throwing words at them and try to embrass them as much as possible?

Even if you guys are so educated in marine science, the way you presented to the public didn't appeal to me at all. I am sure Fenner, Calfo, or Borneman doesn't agree with that tank at all, but I am also sure they won't just come here and bash this thread up by showing pics and being sacastic either. If you guys are that good, persuade that poor guy to change his attitude towards his tank, let him understand why in long run it is not going to work. if you guys can do that, then I am impressed, otherwise, please keep it in your own "anemone and clown fish forum". Peace.

Please don't look at this as an attack. I think educational would be more appropriate.

When someone posts something like "Hey Kids, Don't try this at home, I am a proffesional" and we find out that his anemone tank has been death free for "almost" two months, and his occupation is LFS, with anemones that look the way they do, what do you expect? If you will read my first few posts with this individual, you will see that I tried in great detail to educate.

We would have stayed in the Anemone and Clownfish forum if there wasn't a need to correct the damage done by posting those pictures and his comments in other forums.

This wouldn't have ever happened if he didn't tell a newbie to put selcon in a starving anemones mouth. Very dangerous and not adequate help!

So now we are here trying to clean up, so that other people do not take this advice.

 

[cschweitzer]

I think I'm gonna name my next steak...I think I'll call it "Rare "

 

[MrMikeB]

Wow

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<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9368652#post9368652 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by cschweitzer
I've got a great idea!!! Let's put copper into our coral tanks...I mean, it would be an experience. then I can come on here and tell everybody how everything died within 24 hours. But hey, that would be the same respect you give all your stuff, right guys?

Ok, I am all for difference in opinion, but when you try to back up your argument with something as ludicrous and extreme as this, it loses all credibility. This guy posted his thread to explain how his system was established and what he has done. People share their systems and experiences, this is what the forum is for. Keeping anemones and clowns to that degree is not a 'proven' guarantee that the world will come to an end and result in a tank meltdown. It is a common belief that overcrowding is not a good thing, but you do not know diddly squat on what he has running or his ability to keep this system healthy. Hell he could be doing water changes every day - the bottom line is that you do not know and are criticizing a member of the forum on sheer conjecture and ignorance.

So just because he does not respond instantly to your post makes him a target for your ill advised and unwarranted attacks and sarcasm? You speak of respect for animals, and respect for things under your care, yet you so willing to disrespect others, and then you try to justify your position through sarcasm and belief you are 'doing it for the fish.' I find that most ironic.

I would come to expect a past president of a marine society would come to understand the fact that many people are at different levels of experience and education and not be so quick to lambast them when they go against the perceived norm.

 

[GSMguy]

id expect any marine society to care about thier animals

 

[MrMikeB]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9369144#post9369144 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by redvipe2010

So now we are here trying to clean up, so that other people do not take this advice.

You call this nonsense of chasing down a members' posts cleaning things up? How is this cleaning anything up? Are you now the bad advice police and whisk in and out of forums 'cleaning' things up when you don't agree with what they say? I am not sure if I should be thanking you for such a honorable service or feel offended that you believe I, and others who read these posts, too ignorant to make up our own decisions on what we read.

 

[djscribz]

its funny because 10 years ago people said the same thing about nano reefs (it cant be done). honestly if he has the skimming and sump capacity it can be done. he may have a 500g sump behind his wall for all we know. in the wild there are well over 50-100 fish in a square foot of space where the water is being changed by the ocean. a decent sump and skimmer can mimic this effect and make it quite possible.

 

[redvipe2010]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9370894#post9370894 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by djscribz
its funny because 10 years ago people said the same thing about nano reefs (it cant be done). honestly if he has the skimming and sump capacity it can be done. he may have a 500g sump behind his wall for all we know. in the wild there are well over 50-100 fish in a square foot of space where the water is being changed by the ocean. a decent sump and skimmer can mimic this effect and make it quite possible.

Have you noticed the health of the anemones?

 

[dots]

What kind of lighting do you have over the tank?

 

[airinhere]

Wow. This is getting kind of creepy. I ran into this redvipe last night who obviously is experienced with anems, but a little short tempered. we disagreed on what to feed an anem when its very weak. I have used selcon and it worked well for me. He urges mysid shrimp coated in Selcon. Thought that we had parted ways amicably. Then he pursues me across the thread I placed on the anem forum and then to here. Thats uncalled for. Especially when bringing along others to a local club page. Please stop.

The point of this and my other thread was to show this tank before I have to dismantle it and move to a larger aquaria. I was watching mythbusters and thought the quote "Kids dont try this at home, were profesionals" was fitting since I do not advocate keeping this crowded a system to anyone else. This was originally a hospital tank and the anems are steadily growing. color would be better under halide lighting, but I am running 520W of PC lighting on the tank. I do daily maintenance on this tank and am enjoying it while I can. And yes I do care about these animals. There is no definitive body of knowledge about anems out there. And I have done better than most just by keeping the animals alive and growing for several months.

 

[redvipe2010]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9372101#post9372101 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by airinhere
Wow. This is getting kind of creepy. I ran into this redvipe last night who obviously is experienced with anems, but a little short tempered. we disagreed on what to feed an anem when its very weak. I have used selcon and it worked well for me. He urges mysid shrimp coated in Selcon. Thought that we had parted ways amicably. Then he pursues me across the thread I placed on the anem forum and then to here. Thats uncalled for. Especially when bringing along others to a local club page. Please stop.

The point of this and my other thread was to show this tank before I have to dismantle it and move to a larger aquaria. I was watching mythbusters and thought the quote "Kids dont try this at home, were profesionals" was fitting since I do not advocate keeping this crowded a system to anyone else. This was originally a hospital tank and the anems are steadily growing. color would be better under halide lighting, but I am running 520W of PC lighting on the tank. I do daily maintenance on this tank and am enjoying it while I can. And yes I do care about these animals. There is no definitive body of knowledge about anems out there. And I have done better than most just by keeping the animals alive and growing for several months.

Short tempered, I don't think so. Its called damage control! The only thing getting creepy is your tank.

Your not doing very well peddleing. You are also puting your animals in danger and handing out some bad information. Yes, I will correct it, along with everyone else that has posted here from the Anemone forum. We care too much about these creatures to sit back and watch you advise someone to treat them in such a way.

You have not done "better than most by keeping these animals alive" Your pictures show that. If you would have searched RC like I had asked you would quickly see how many others are a whole lot better than you at keeping anemones.

 

[airinhere]

I want to say thank you to the forum members who helped defend me here. This is the reason I think so highly of reefcentral and MARS. This individual has lambasted me all day on multiple threads. He has some personal issues here and I apologize that anyone else had do deal with this.

 

[airinhere]

Believe it or not, I am actually interested in talking with other members who are experienced with anems and clownfish. I have never wanted a FOWLR tank, and have 2 90 gal reefs that I made aragocrete backdrops for and have to wait a few months for them to become alive. The next project I want to undertake is a serious long-term anemone-clownfish tank. I have all the animals to do this and have never heard anything about anyone attempting anything like this. Right now I have to spend much of my time dealing with this tank and I cant get enough of it. I have heard of people that kept large groups of damsels in large (125 gal and up) tanks before with good results. Sadly this is not a mainstream interest. Clowns are just pretty damsels. Why not large groups of them in a larger tank? I have seen lots of pics of several clowns sharing anems in the ocean. And my clowns all have anems that they host. (some host caulerpa as well.) Anyone have any helpful advice? And just saying its impossible without any reason isnt a real answer. I cant start coming up with solutions to the potential pitfals without first getting useful information about what they are. (example: moonlights seem to help keep damsels from getting eaten by anemones at night.)