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Bees are missing, Ice Caps are melting, Frogs are dead in Puerto Rico, Loss of phytoplankton in the North Sea, Sea Levels Rising, Shifts in Monsoon patterns off of Africa, Coral Bleaching events worldwide, etc.....

I know its not because of humans but lets just say if for some unknown reason the earth is warming, and this is making it impossible for certain creatures to reproduce, we better watch out. If the Oceans' plankton and phytoplankton cannot reproduce it does not only mean death of sealife, it also means death of all animals on the planet. The reason is because ~90% of the planets available oxygen comes from plankton/ phytoplankton. Now, it looks like the bees are joining in the planet's rebellion to rid the earth of humans.

http://www.weather.com/multimedia/modules/browsevideodrilldown84_IPP.html#
 
I just heard about the honey bee thing last week. That is very worry some but I thought it had to do with some mite.
 
I dont know exactly what is happening with the bees but it looks like the world is going to hell in a handbasket.
 
One point. Ever since we have been on the planet, we have been in an ice age or on the tail end of one. If you look at the climate over thousands and millions of years, you see that the earth has been lots hotter in many times in the past-- nothing to do with us. The reason we are still around is that we can adapt. We can't do anything about cyclical changes in the earth's climate. We CAN however, adapt and survive. That is what we do and we do it quite well. No other species has been to the moon and back. Yes, lots of ecosystems will change and "die" and everything else, and despite out feeble attempts to stabilize or destabilize the earth, nothing we do will trump the inevitable. Our challenge is not to stop nature, but to adapt to its changes. Otherwise, we die out.

Am I a fun sponge?? Nah! I'm just being realistic. None of us will even be around to deal with these changes-- our descendents will. Prepare them to adapt and pass the torch.
 
world is going to hell in mans handbasket, we will eventually be the end of our world, nobody cares, we won't see it. Thats how lots of people feel, but do they think of their children? What about their children's children? We are abusing our world and I see no end. What kind of life will our future children have? Lots of technology, but what is that really? I hate to think of what kind of life is in store for them.
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9630346#post9630346 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by H.crispa
One point. Ever since we have been on the planet, we have been in an ice age or on the tail end of one. If you look at the climate over thousands and millions of years, you see that the earth has been lots hotter in many times in the past-- nothing to do with us. The reason we are still around is that we can adapt. We can't do anything about cyclical changes in the earth's climate. We CAN however, adapt and survive. That is what we do and we do it quite well. No other species has been to the moon and back. Yes, lots of ecosystems will change and "die" and everything else, and despite out feeble attempts to stabilize or destabilize the earth, nothing we do will trump the inevitable. Our challenge is not to stop nature, but to adapt to its changes. Otherwise, we die out.

Am I a fun sponge?? Nah! I'm just being realistic. None of us will even be around to deal with these changes-- our descendents will. Prepare them to adapt and pass the torch.
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Maybe the climate has had cyclical changes but I doubt it has had CO2 increasing by 300+ ppm a year. Except for it early stages when there were tons of volcanic eruptions and trash spewing into the atmosphere. Yeh, that is right 300 ppm a year, and those numbers are from about 10 years ago. I will bet it is closer to 500 ppm by now considering the rapid development of China and India. And by the way, I dont think there were any humans living on earth during the days all those eruptions were occurring.
 
Some people now believe that the increase in temperature itself is causing elevated levels of CO2.
 
If we are such superior beings, I would think we could stabilize the earth. The truth is no one really cares. If so we would have a mobilization of the governments around the world to make changes. I do not expect people to go back to living in the stone ages, we should be able to create technologies to reverse the amounts of green house gases we are producing. If not by limiting the gases being created then by finding ways to pull them out of the atmosphere. Besides, we did put a man on the moon.
 
If you look at the climate over thousands and millions of years, you see that the earth has been lots hotter in many times in the past-- nothing to do with us.
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Sorry but that last part is speculation, the climatalogical records do indeed show rises and falls in global temperature. But they do not show such rapid rises as we have seen in the past several decades. These cyclical changes are just that, cyclical they ebb and flow slowly over time giving animals time to adjust and adapt. They have done so for eons.

I have heard many wonderful theories over the past year on what is causing "ocean warming". Some of the things I have noticed is that the explanations from sceptics seems to be getting more and more desperate which means that something serious is indeed going on. I wont get into this really, most know how I feel about it already.

I think humanity is so self obsessed with matters of "today" that it could care less about any potential disasters IT could be causing in the near future. Lets just whistle away the days while the world burns and pretend that we did not know anything about it. The future of humanity is at stake but keep your eyes on the more important stories, believe whatever this box tells you is "the most important issue of the day" because today is all that matters or ever will.

Besides, we did put a man on the moon.
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Yep we did, but there are still those who argue that point to this day as well LOL.

Btm line-The earth belongs to everyone, not just some of us, if you choose to make a difference then so be it, if you don't then sit back and let those of us who are trying to make a difference do our jobs. Help or don't, believe or don't believe, those are your choices but respect the decisions of everyone on this matter even if you don't agree with them. What's the worst that could happen? Someone could waste there time. or Someone may make the earth a better place to live for our children children.


BTW There was a great article on Climate Change in this Sundays Gazette for those who care.
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9631204#post9631204 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by firefish2020
These cyclical changes are just that, cyclical they ebb and flow slowly over time giving animals time to adjust and adapt. They have done so for eons.
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And this slow gradual in the past change explains how Mastadons and other prehistoric animals are found frozen in ice while walking along a trail how?
 
I was watching a program not too long ago that some evidence now points toward the fact that the ice ages were a much faster change than we first thought. That does not really play into the part of either argument, just throwing that out there.
 
Whistle while you work!

Whistle while you work!

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9631204#post9631204 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by firefish2020
Lets just whistle away the days while the world burns and pretend that we did not know anything about it.
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I'm personally starting to whistle, as it seems that we have an inevitable crisis at this point (whether we have 10, 20, 50, or 100 years before all this crap turns REALLY nasty is anyone's guess).

I'm even questioning that if we woke up tommorrow and totally changed our ways here in the USA, whether we could make any meaningful difference. This is a worldwide problem, and will require worldwide participation to solve (and that alone will probably doom us).

For example - I read an article in the Sunday paper that was really all about increased gasoline costs in the coming years. It seems that China is building a superhighway system on a scale like we did with our interstate highway system in the 1950's to accomodate all the new cars over there (seems like they cited a figure of 180,000,000!!!!!!).

So if we permanently parked all our cars here in the USA tomorrow - would it even make a dent?

WHEEEE!!! :lol:
 
Your right crabfan China is going to be the major contributor in the coming years. As for the sudden ice ages, lets not forget that many things cause climate changes, volcanic eruptions and asteroid impacts have caused quite fast climate changes. Mastadons died as they lived they wouldnt just lie down and wait for the end as they didnt know there world was about to end. Around 650 million years ago, about 70% of the dominant Precambrian flora and fauna perished in the first great extinction.
Past extinction:

Precambrian
Cambrian
Ordovician
Devonian
Permian
End-Cretaceous
Holocene

Even the Precambrian extinction is debated to this day. It was caused by a sudden onrush of cold climate, an iceage. What caused the iceage? Ancient alien factories? volcanos? supernovas? impacts?

We can't even settle on causes of past extinctions so it seems we would never be able to pin down the cause of our own sad demise. The best we can hope for is that something remains, something of us to go on. Whether it be a genetically modified or cybernetic version of humanity or something we have not yet created, our story should be a lesson for the ages.
But then again perhaps some essence of "us" has been here and done all of this before hidden in the darkness of our own forgotten past.
 
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LOL, no one ever said that earth temperature was stable, it's not and never has been. But up until now there has never been such an increase in ocean temperature unless it was caused by an external factor (volcano, asteroid impact, etc). As far as I know we have not had any of those events on a scale to equal a global temperature increase or decrease in recorded human history. We are not dealing with a gradual climate change it is an escalating change and those are the worse ones.

That article is a great example of media damage control which if I am right we will see more of soon. Personally I hope all of us who think that these things (i.e rapid climate change), are happening are wrong, but I see no evidence of that only wishful thinking from those in the media now desperate to minimize any negative impact(s) from a theory that has been up until recently ridiculed for years with having no more validity than Santa Clause. Hmmm now that I think about it, I think I'll be leaving out milk and cookies on Christmas Eve from now on, you know just to be on the safe side :)
 
I don't know if anyone else noticed this, maybe I was dreaming but was it 80 plus degrees a couple days ago and now the high is 45. I guess this is normal, the ebb and tide of the earth's natural cycles.
 
LOL that just proves no one really reads these posts before responding. That's the same site I commented on above LOL


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