Sonny's Rimless Shallow Reef.

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<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=15502016#post15502016 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by jennmac415
Sonny... I am still trying to make sense out of all of this stuff... let me see if I am on the right track...

vodka dosing... carbon source...stimulates certain bacteria to grow that help keep nitrates and phos down to a low level...

MB7... bacteria source... introduces more strains of bacteria that also help consume nitrates and phos...

Am I even close?? Now, what do the AA's do...

ugh... this is alot for an OLD reefmama like me... LOL thanks for all your help!

You got it right! :D

The AA's are used once the corals have lightened up and the tank is pretty much sterile. :p

Although, if you have plenty of fish and feed enough you wont even have to use the AA's.
 
OK but using vodka usually requires that you follow your nitrates and phosphates inorder to titrate your doses right? So if you never had a nutrient problem how did you decide when to cut back on the vodka to a mainainance dose?

I have never had any nitrate or phosphate readings but I do have very little cyano and hair algae. I'm assuming that the reason my readings are 0 is because the second I have nutrients in the water the already present algae take them up.

So how did you, and how should I decide when enough vodka is enough?

Thanks!!

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=15499256#post15499256 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by SunnyX
Hello and welcome to RC! :D

I started up vodka and bacteria mainly out of curiosity. I have no problems in the past growing and maintain SPS, but I was very bored. I tore down the old 225gl and started up the new 100gl with European systems as a guide.

So far I have been very happy with the results and the extra money I have saved on refugium lighting and GFO.
 
Hey Sunny, quick question. Once a tank has achieved ULN, does one never run GFO again? I've taken mine out, but what about for the purpose of filtering out silicates?
 
I was reading the directions for MB7 and it says 1(5ml) capful for every 25 gallons. I noticed you told someone to "add 6 drops" does that mean from a dropper?

Thanks,
Alex
 
Hello Sonny,
do you think is it an issue if I run vodka dosing at KH 11+. Any complications?

Tried to run a search engine with the relevant above but found nothing :(

P.S: Helping a friend to ask (:

Happy Reefing,
Marc J. :D
 
I know Sunny will weigh in on this, it's probably best to run your KH lower than 11. There are a lot of stories of people experiencing burnt tips, stn etc from carbon dosing at a high KH.
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=15504385#post15504385 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by reefrad
OK but using vodka usually requires that you follow your nitrates and phosphates inorder to titrate your doses right? So if you never had a nutrient problem how did you decide when to cut back on the vodka to a mainainance dose?

I have never had any nitrate or phosphate readings but I do have very little cyano and hair algae. I'm assuming that the reason my readings are 0 is because the second I have nutrients in the water the already present algae take them up.

So how did you, and how should I decide when enough vodka is enough?

Thanks!!

The usual process of dosing vodka is you that you keep on increasing the dosage until your No3 and Po4 hit 0. Once they are at 0 you cut the vodka dosage in half. If an when the nutrient levels start to rise again, you simply repeat the process over.

In your case, I would start dosing a bacterial supplement in order to combat the red cyano. I would also manually remove as much hair algae as possible, increasing the dosage of vodka if it continues to grow.
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=15505951#post15505951 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by aquariumclown
Hey Sunny, quick question. Once a tank has achieved ULN, does one never run GFO again? I've taken mine out, but what about for the purpose of filtering out silicates?

Some people run with ULNS still run GFO, and some dont. It really depends on the system and what you are trying to achieve. If you feed very heavy and dont keep up with the MB7/vodka dosing then GFO may be used to help reduce the nutrients.

I run GFO 5 days out of every month after vacuuming the sandbed, water changes, and turkey basting the rock work.

You can use GFO, just make sure you keep an eye on your coals as they do need some nutrients.
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=15506544#post15506544 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by AJ858
I was reading the directions for MB7 and it says 1(5ml) capful for every 25 gallons. I noticed you told someone to "add 6 drops" does that mean from a dropper?

Thanks,
Alex

If you lift up the tab and invert the bottle you should be able to drip the bacteria into the tank. In your case, for the first two weeks you will be pouring it in and out of the cap on the bottle.
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=15508915#post15508915 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Ancelot
Hello Sonny,
do you think is it an issue if I run vodka dosing at KH 11+. Any complications?

Tried to run a search engine with the relevant above but found nothing :(

P.S: Helping a friend to ask (:

Happy Reefing,
Marc J. :D

Hello,

As rkaires stated, you will want your ALK to be no higher then 9 when running a carbon based system. With high ALK you run the risk of burning coral tips and stressing out the reef inhabitants.
 
Sonny... sorry for all the random questions... still trying to get this all straight..

Did I read somewhere along the way, that you do NOT run a refugium with this vodka, MB7, AA system?? do you suggest not running run and should I get rid of mine... I do not really think it has any benefit anyway as I really never harvest my chaet except to help a new reefer set up their refugium. One question though about not running one... I run the fuge light on a opposite schedule from the DT lighting, in hopes of maintaining the PH at night... how would I maintain the PH at night without a fuge and light??

sorry about these dumb questions..and thanks for all your help as I muddle through this...LOL :)
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=15510912#post15510912 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by jennmac415
Sonny... sorry for all the random questions... still trying to get this all straight..

Did I read somewhere along the way, that you do NOT run a refugium with this vodka, MB7, AA system?? do you suggest not running run and should I get rid of mine... I do not really think it has any benefit anyway as I really never harvest my chaet except to help a new reefer set up their refugium. One question though about not running one... I run the fuge light on a opposite schedule from the DT lighting, in hopes of maintaining the PH at night... how would I maintain the PH at night without a fuge and light??

sorry about these dumb questions..and thanks for all your help as I muddle through this...LOL :)


The general reason for not running fuges with ULNS is because the nutrients are so low, it will either not allow the chaeto to grow at all, or it will choke out the chaeto and the algae will just simply die..


Sunny- I too have a question for you...
How do you only dose 110 ML or calcium and alkalinity each day? My reef is smaller than yours (although not much) and i have far less hard corals in my tank, and i still manage to dose over 125 ML of Alk everyday, and that's just to keep it at 8ish... =/ ? What do you run your alk at?
 
Hey Sonny,

Hows your frag tank going? Any pics. Is your frag tank plumbed from your return pump or overflow/weir?

thanks
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=15511257#post15511257 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Joander123
The general reason for not running fuges with ULNS is because the nutrients are so low, it will either not allow the chaeto to grow at all, or it will choke out the chaeto and the algae will just simply die..


Sunny- I too have a question for you...
How do you only dose 110 ML or calcium and alkalinity each day? My reef is smaller than yours (although not much) and i have far less hard corals in my tank, and i still manage to dose over 125 ML of Alk everyday, and that's just to keep it at 8ish... =/ ? What do you run your alk at?

Thanks for answering jennmac415 question. :D

I am dosing formula #1 of Randy's Two part soultion. Which formula are you doing?

My CA is @ 430 and ALK is @ 9.6, actually had to scale back on ALK as it was rising rapidly.

Perhaps your corals are growing much faster then mine? I get decent growth so I am not sure why you would have to be dosing so much more.
 
Hi Sonny

Did you ever get a chance to measure your phosphate? Also you said that you periodically run GFO - what do you do? drop the reactor in once a month? Or just turn on the pump once a month? What do you do with the reactor when it is not in use?

Thanks
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=15515095#post15515095 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by snaza
Hey Sonny,

Hows your frag tank going? Any pics. Is your frag tank plumbed from your return pump or overflow/weir?

thanks

Hello :D

The frag tank is plumbed into the main system and fed via Ehiem 1250.
The frag tank is going well, I just wish the MH would have given me better colors.

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<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=15515304#post15515304 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by MO Will
Hi Sonny

Did you ever get a chance to measure your phosphate? Also you said that you periodically run GFO - what do you do? drop the reactor in once a month? Or just turn on the pump once a month? What do you do with the reactor when it is not in use?

Thanks

Hello,

I have not checked my Po4 in a while. When running the GFO on the main display I run it in a TLF canister. I alternate the canister between my salt water mixing tub and tank.
 
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