Sorry John... But I am calling out COPPS!!!

:eek1: :eek2: :eek1: :eek2:

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=13893495#post13893495 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by tcmfish
If you look there are bandit's in both...;)
Yea I saw that too... How does the bandit do in your reef? Any nipping?

Gorgeous fish, corals and shots BTW!!! :thumbsup:

...Is your C. interruptus in your SPS reef too?
 
Obviously something we should all try and duplicate. John have you ever considered writing a book, articles, or possibly blog? Your advice has always been very simple but perfect have great success with these animals. I am stunned you have the time to keep your animals and dispay in such immaculate condition, especially with the little one now in your life!!! Hope fatherhood has not overwhelmed you and your child is doing great!!!!

Not sure if you caught my earlier post. Do you think that juvi. Regal will keep that misbar when it matures? Did that Regal come out of Sumatra?

Again great work. Many envious fish dorks sweating your displays. Keep up the great work!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! T
 
I agree on the blog or the book.

Actually....now that I think about it......I think it would be even better if you just strapped a video camera to your head when you are doing ANYTHING Fish related. I know there would be gigs of video but it would totally be worth it. Putting things in perspective is really what this is about. Its always nice to see how people do things!

We should make a poll....and vote. Maybe even put up a funding for this supposed camera?

i like it...

:smokin: :smokin:

+1 and count $10 towards the camera from me!
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=13894705#post13894705 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by myerst2
John have you ever considered writing a book, articles, or possibly blog? Your advice has always been very simple but perfect have great success with these animals.

...Exactly what I was thinking.

John thanks for taking the time to respond to my earlier question...you provide insite unlike no other...
 
hey John your tanks look gorgeous. I just was looking to find info about achilles tangs and or powder blues and came across this thread. From the responses i've been reading you know your stuff like nobody else. you really should write a book about how to make a system thrive instead of survive and what methods to use to make all this happen. You obviosly have a bigger fan base than some celebs out there and for good reason. You seem to help out a lot of people with advice they couldn't get anywhere else. Thanks for sharing your experiences with us all. The only question I have for you is, have you ever posted anything about how to keep an achilles or powder blue happy and thriving? it's pretty much the only fish i haven't had any luck/skill in keeping. they all do great for like a month and just break out in some serious ich and wither away. these are the fish that excites me the most and bums me out that i can't have them. Thanks again for all the great info. it's very much appreciated by all.
 
im sure john would love to write a book.. time is needed though :) 2 little ones, full time job, makes it difficult to write a book!

update copps, time is of the essence! Especially the new additions ;-)
 
Wow John, your Fish Only tank is inspiring, would love a stock list, with approx size if you have a chance, and a FTS....How big is that tank? Someone else can answer if they know, sorry if i missed it.
 
The best part of this hobby is that no matter how much I see there's always something new to thrill and excite. Absolutely second-to-none. Gorgeous.
 
Wow guys... thanks so much for the compliments... it really means a lot. As I have time this weekend I will respond to each question and also post more photos. I also have some exciting trips coming up so there should be some interesting threads...

Copps
 
I'll try and catch up to some responses from a few days ago...

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=13864518#post13864518
target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by khanb31

Absolutely stunning.

Ive been a very large angelfish lover since I entered the hobby. I knew
that I would eventually have a lot of angels and to see your tanks copps
is just pure inspiration. I love the fish I have and im glad im not the
only one that thinks that is the most important part of this hobby.

I was very curious actually on your quarantine procedures as there are
so many people that have different views on this part of the hobby. How
do you go about acquiring new live stock? Even corals?

Here is my pride and joy. She spent a long time in QT being treated for
every thing I could think of and then went into my 35 gallon bowfront.
She is about 2.75 inches.

IMG_0417.jpg


My avatar is also a picture of her.

Thanks,

Slim Jim

Beautiful fish first off Jim... queens are clearly one of the most
beautiful fish in the ocean... I plan on collecting my own in February
... it will be that much more special...
a common fish I've seen alot of but collecting my own will excite me,
and we know how I feel about fish that excite me :)... oh and by the way
for you South Florida guys I'll be speaking for your club then too, the
Florida Marine Aquaium Society (FMAS).

I could write quite a bit about QT... many people have differing views
about it... there seems to be two prevalent views... one is people who
QT, and the other is people who do not, either as a result of never
trying or a result of failing at it. If I was given the choice between
an improperly setup QT and one of my displays, I would too choose one of
my displays.

However, I absolutely do QT every one of my fish. When properly done,
you have the MOST control over the life of your fish. Many people think
the primary purpose of QT is to keep some foreign disease out of your
display. That is up there on the list, but there are so many other
important reasons. My tanks are more of an "adaption tank". So many fish
that we receive have been through weeks of transit with little to no
feeding. When we receive them, our primary purpose should be to give
them as little stress as possible. Using what I call the "dump and hope
approach" is the wrong way to go, throwing these new weak fish into our
displays where food lasts about 10 seconds and many fish are territorial
to newcomers. This sets many fish over the edge... especially some of
the fish that are harder to adapt that you see in some of my displays...


Why do so many people not QT? Well, for one, it's very misunderstood.
For many that try it, they set it up hastily and kill the fish they're
QTing, usually a result of an improperly functioning biological filter,
where ammonia will quickly rise and take out the new fish. So, again as
I mentioned before, you'd have a better shot trying it out in your
display... Proper QT is however, not that hard... it's like riding a
bike... hard to figure out the nuances at first, but after you know you
do it without thinking...

Why is it so important? Well, we've all experienced getting a new fish,
throwing it in our display, and watching it swim around happily. Many
times you then see that new fish after a day or two or ten go south and
die. We've all had this happen... well guess what? There's a reason it
died... and more often than not that would have been preventable had you
QTed the fish. By the time we receive fish they are often very stressed
from the whole collection and transport process... they are VERY
susceptible to disease. When we place these fish in our display directly
it is bad for a few reasons. They receive more stress from the existing
fish... bad. If they go into a reef tank, they are in full salinity
untreated saltwater... potentially bad. Even if we see something wrong,
we many times cannot get them out for treatment... bad.

Some basics of how I QT? I usually use cupramine (an excellent copper
product made by Seachem) and Nitrofurazone (an excellent antibiotic)
concurrently, and a salinity of between 1.015 and 1.020... these days
more at 1.020 as I don't notice a difference. The copper will take care
of both ich (cryptocaryon) and marine velvet (amyloodinium), while the
NF will take care of any secondary infections... I generally QT for at
least a month, and use other treatments if necessary... like praziquantel... but those two
above will take care of quite a bit... velvet sucks... much more than
ich to me, and can kill much faster... I do 100% water changes about
once a week with new water mixed for at least 24 hours, depending on the conditions... and I clean the sponge in the HOB (hang on the back) filters I use...

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=13865159#post13865159
target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by tony varrell

Originally posted by tony varrell
I forgot to ask what I wanted to ask you. My concern at this point is
not the health of the fish they are bullet proof at this point but the
increasing bioload on my system which could have a negitave effect on my
SPS. My sps are healthy but do not pop like what is in the picture. That
is the impressive part of your display to me. The ability to have a
heavy bioload and still maintane that impressive coral collection.I am
curious to know your feeding habits and filteration on board your
system. Also your water change schedule. Thank You for sharing
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Ah yes... hard core reefers will appreciate this the most as it's THE
biggest challenge... keeping popping colors on growing sps long term in
an aquarium is a challenge in itself, but with a tank of fish it is that
much more so! I'll elaborate later as this is one of those simple
questions that could have a BOOK as an answer...

Ok John, I will patiently wait for your comments. Thanks

Hey Tony, first off, you need to obviously have the ability to keep colorful sps with a low bioload system... a challenge itself. Once you could do that, you could try upping your bioload... I feed twice a day... sometimes three, and do 50 gallon water changes a week on my ~ 400 gallon sps system... I skim heavily with a 12 diameter large Euroreef... I use filter socks... I have a large refugium with chaeto... and I keep detritus from building up everywhere in the system... which is a very important part that is so often overlooked... everyone can keep a colorful sps system for a little while, and eventually that begins to degrade as things build up in your sandbed and in other places... keep your system young and develop a protocol that will work indefinately...

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=13881584#post13881584
target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by HomeSlizzice

Hey copps in your 65 gallon tank you have a Regal Angel and I was
wondering if you think a Regal Angel would work well in a 65 gallon tank
I am thinking about getting in about a year? :)

Most important with a regal is that you have experience in the hobby and with adapting fish before you try them... I believe a four foot tank is suffiecient long term for a regal, but not a 65... I knew that we would be soon moving as we were having a house built and my larger systems would be ready for him... regals do not grow anywhere near full size in our systems...
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=13886858#post13886858 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by reidcrandall

I would love to get a juvenile angel (majestic or regal, maybe both) for the 120, but I have heard/read things that intimate to me that getting a juvenile to change completely in captivity is almost impossible. Again, I am up for a challenge, but I was hoping that you might share some of your knowledge and experience with me.

Thanks!

There is so much misinformation out there on angelfish... who told you it's impossible to get an angel to change? Chances are it was a book published in like 1979... or someone who read that book and has no experience... or someone who spoke to someone who read that... one of the major problems on internet boards is people who post things not based on personal experience... so much gets perpetuated from that... or if it is from personal experience they act like because they failed at something everyone will... Suffice it to say that getting an angel to change is not that tough in relation to other things in this hobby...

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=13889302#post13889302 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by blface
I agree!! I just picked up a beautiful red sea regal. It's acclimating as I type this. I missed out on the small one it was already sold but I only paid $70.00 for the larger one.

Be aware that it has been years since true Red Sea regals have been exported to the US in any significant numbers... the industry tends to use "Red Sea regal" for any regal originating from the Indian Ocean...

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=13891739#post13891739 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by danielp
My jaw just droped :)
@copps maybe I missed something but my question is how big is FOWLR?

292 gallons...

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=13893402#post13893402 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by jnc914
Hey John---First off, very beautiful collection of fish, both tanks look awesome. Second, what temp are you keeping the FOWLR that has the Bandit in it?

75-77...

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=13893495#post13893495 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by tcmfish
If you look there are bandit's in both...;)

Looks sweet man!

FTS shots would be nice to put it in perspective, because it seems like you have every fish lol, but I have only seen pics of the two tanks...

Here's another system with pics from a few days ago... I have many things behind the scenes... I like to keep my "displays" as displays... like a public aquarium does sort of... This system is two back to back 54 gallon corner tanks...



This one was home to the resplendens/fisher's pair that made the first captively spawned hybrid by Frank at RCT...



Here's the pair... sadly I lost the respendens earlier this year... of all of the fish Frank did this batch of resplendens was a little bit stunted, and he appeared to have died of old age, despite not being that old... he also spawned regularly at the 75-76 degrees I kept him at as he was a subtropical fish... who knows... I was sad to see him go but it was out of my control... the female fisheri (now probably male) is still doing well... here was the pair in their heyday...


I have a pair of Solomon percs I've had forever in there, and a tiny black tang I grew out since '06 among many other things in that tank...

The other tank originally had the pair of Centropyge colini that Frank Baensch successfully spawned...
 
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I moved this pair our of that tank to my large sps reef where they remain today... spawning nightly... they've become some of my favorites... C. colini is an angel that is not common in any location, but has a wide range... Pat Colin originally saw and collected them in the Cocos-Keeling Islands in the Indian Ocean... the pair I have is from Fiji... Pat Colin was also the first person to see the newest species of angelfish... Centropyge abei...



I moved this pair to make room for a pair of Centropyge debelius I received from Frank... unfortunately the debelius took a rough ride from Hawaii and were dead within six hours... this was the pair in Hawaii...



So, since then I put a true Hawaiian flame angel in... a very rare fish... here he is... red straight through...



I have the tank divided with egg crate waiting for a female to transition in... in my rose anemones I used to keep my Marshall Islands tricinctus pair I grew from tiny years ago (these used to be a very rare clownfish to find)... but these got way to aggressive as all clarkii complex clowns do... and they are in their own system behind the scenes now...


Also in that photo is the original male Centropyge interrupta that fathered all of the captive raised babies Frank did originally spanwed back in 2002... it died with me after being AT LEAST eight years old... I knew he was on his way but I was happy to retire this historic fish...


<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=13893927#post13893927 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by stunreefer
:eek1: :eek2: :eek1: :eek2:


Yea I saw that too... How does the bandit do in your reef? Any nipping?

Gorgeous fish, corals and shots BTW!!! :thumbsup:

...Is your C. interruptus in your SPS reef too?

Again I have no issues keeping any angel in my sps reef now... including those two species...
 
John, what is your method for keeping angels together? I have an established emperor, ~6 inches, but thick, in a 220. I want to add a blueface (~3.5-4") and a blue spotted angel (~3.5"). Well, actually, I tried it. The emp is now in "time out" and the interlopers are in the 220. I was planning to keep him away from the DT for another day, re-aquascape, then put him back. What do you think of the chances? You mentioned you would post your method for keeping such fish together.

I can make do for a while by putting the smaller angels in small tanks, and retry according to your (or others') advice.
 
Hey Lisa

I think that John and I will agree that the main key to keeping large angels together is getting the new additions nice and healthy prior to placing them into the main display with the other fish.

One thing that I have noticed a lot (and I have been guilty of it in the past) is when people buy their "prized" expensive fish and are unsure of their QT or dont have one. What this causes is for the new fish to litterally fend for themselves with the other established fish.

In your situation, your large emperor is used to getting the lions share of the tank. He has his own areas which the rest of the fish are aware of. He eats first and as much as he likes, then the rest of the fish are in line.

When you introduce a new fish that is smaller and more than likely not used to eating captive food, it makes it infinately harder for the fish to get what it needs most; food and shelter.

I have a 10" emperor, 9" blueface, 8.5" queen, 4.5" bandit, 1" potters, and a couple of 9" tangs that all understand the pecking order. The potters was introduced so small that no one even pays attention to him, but he does not get in line for food...he eats the leftovers.

The nature of my emperor is to grunt and flare up often as this is what he has been conditioned to do over thousands of years of evolution. Yes they are teritorial and yes they are semi-aggressive, but it is doable.

I currently have a just under 4" clarion in QT that is eating anything I put in the tank with him and getting conditioned to go in with the big boys, but I will not put him in there untill I feel that he can fend for himself. I also have a 2.5" potters in a separate QT that is getting conditioned as well as I want to pair up the potters.

Placing your emperor in timeout is a great idea, but it will not solve the issue. You need to get the new additions out of the DT and into QT to get acclimated. Once they are attacking the food that you put in the tank after a month or 2 then add them back into the DT. I would HIGHLY suggest using egg creat to close off the section of the tank to separate the new guys from the emperor this will give the entire tank the chance to explore the new additions and get out any aggression without hurting or bothering the new fish.

Hope this helps...
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=13940863#post13940863 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by copps
There is so much misinformation out there on angelfish... who told you it's impossible to get an angel to change? Chances are it was a book published in like 1979... or someone who read that book and has no experience... or someone who spoke to someone who read that... one of the major problems on internet boards is people who post things not based on personal experience... so much gets perpetuated from that... or if it is from personal experience they act like because they failed at something everyone will... Suffice it to say that getting an angel to change is not that tough in relation to other things in this hobby...


I hadn't heard that it was impossible to get them to change at all, just to get them to change completely. I was hoping that I would get a response like that from you. I am at least 6-12 months away from making a purchase, and this answer is all I needed to reinvigorate myself to do all of the proper research before I do.

Thanks!
 
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