Splendid Pintail Fairy Wrasse on DD today

[fishnerd]

Hey Bryan, I don't think there's any preferred treatment or special club for some hobbyist. I don't know about Hunter, but I inquired to Kevin specifically for these fish and I think since there were multiple available he was going to list on the site, he sold mine to me without me having to wait.

In addition, before I bought my CB Clarion and was asking a million questions about it, he specifically said that he would have to list this fish on the site to give everyone an equal chance of buying it.

Wayne,

As he had to list the CB clarion, this should be done with all fish no exceptions. There has been a lot of fish I have lost in my shopping basket because someone was faster. I would not get mad, as everyone had an equal chance. Even though Liveaquaria had multiple amounts of these wrasses for sale, these rules should not be bent. If the amount was great enough then let the numbers go thru their Liveaquaria end not Diver's Den. All I am saying is make this fair for all, even though the CB clarion was listed there are/were other fish you received that other people are looking for which is not fair.

Bryan

 

[Crimson]

There's confusion amongst the confusion here...
Marshall, others, and I muddied the waters here by also speaking about the couple Philippine lunatus wrasses which were also listed on DD yesterday.
However, the confusion in your statement lies with cf. lanceolatus and C. lanceolatus; cf. lanceolatus is NOT a regional variant of lanceoaltus, nor is it a "dwarf" subspecies. They are entirely different species with entirely different ranges.

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This added to my confusion.

From RB:
There are two pintail fairy wrasses, the large Cirrhilabrus lanceolatus usually from Japan and the smaller Cirrhilabrus cf. lanceolatus which is known from Japan and the northern Philippines. In regards to the smaller dwarf pintail, this is an undescribed species sometimes referred to as Cirrhilabrus sp. 1 but there is a lot to describe on this exquisite little reef fish.

We have to confess that when it comes to aquarium wrasses, we very much enjoy many different species of labrids, especially Flashers and Fairies in other people’s aquariums. That is, except for the dwarf Cirrhilabrus like C. johnsoni and this C. cf. lanceolatus. Like C. squirei, these “dwarf” fairy wrasses have a lot more patterning than their larger brethren and the females are especially endowed with delicate, beautiful markings on both the face and the body.

Either way I am happy to be receiving one (from nya).

 

[evolved]

If you were offered a DD fish prior to it being available to everyone, I would consider that special treatment. I have no skin in this game but I'm pretty sure I've seen Kevin in the past say they only sell DD fish on a first come basis thru their website.

Perhaps the confusion in this instance is the DD label being used synonymously with the DD webpage, which was not my intent.

 

[fishnerd]

So I'm sorry you feel that way Bryan, but I did not intend to evoke such feelings from you or anyone else. As you can now see in my situation, I've been working on obtaining this particular species for several years (prior to ever meeting Tony Vargas, for that matter). It's not a matter of special treatment or being in "the club".

There was once another fish Kevin Kohen had acquired on his own accord that I inquired about in the past, and (like Wayne) I was told it would be listed on DD to give everyone equal opportunity. While I was informed what the price would be set at, I received no other special treatment. (Sadly, the fish never came to be and perished before it ever came to market)

Hunter,

There has been a lot of us trying to obtain this species as soon as we saw they were available. I have been chasing the diamond-tail for years and was finally quick enough when Divers Den posted it. There were many opportunities I mossed because I wasn't fast enough that day. Everyone gets the same advantage at 3:00pm, when someone else gets DD fish before its listed or posted then it is unfair.

It doesn't matter the fishes listed yesterday were not purchased for several hours. I am speaking in the manner they are doing business and not the specific fish. It may be a different fish next time.

Again nothing personal against you Hunter or Wayne. It is that DD has always said first come first served and this proves not the case.



Bryan

 

[loup]

Certain fish moves quick off DD at the time of update. I certainly missed some and when I made an effort to find time in my busy schedule to refresh at update time to be able to snag that fish a few second before someone else, it takes effort.

It just throws a curve ball into what I thought how LADD runs, that if I could get them weeks prior to it making on DD, it would save me time and effort to sit there and refresh at update time.

 

[Marshall O]

In this case, the fish in question did not sell right away. It has also been offered by other vendors and have been found at LFS's. If we are talking about a fish that has an extremely limited supply that is one thing, as I would agree 100% that would not be right. In this case, although the supply is limited (i.e. not enough to be offered on LA), we are not talking about 1 or even 2 total fish.

So if there are other cases of an extremely rare fish being sold outside of DD, then I think there is reason to be upset. For this particular example, I don't personally think there is. This is just my opinion, ymmv.

 

[loup]

If I had the opportunity to get a pair or trio, then I would snag it off DD. As I like to keep fish in pair. Just saying.

In this case, the fish in question did not sell right away. It has also been offered by other vendors and have been found at LFS's. If we are talking about a fish that has an extremely limited supply that is one thing, as I would agree 100% that would not be right. In this case, although the supply is limited (i.e. not enough to be offered on LA), we are not talking about 1 or even 2 total fish.

So if there are other cases of an extremely rare fish being sold outside of DD, then I think there is reason to be upset. For this particular example, I don't personally think there is. This is just my opinion, ymmv.

 

[Marshall O]

If I had the opportunity to get a pair or trio, then I would snag it off DD. As I like to keep fish in pair. Just saying.

Understood. My point is that anyone could have bought a pair, or even trio themselves through another vendor already if they wanted to. DD is not the only place to source these. DD may still offer a pair though, who knows. They have another C. cf lunate tonight, so I have to think they have more of both in holding.

 

[tylersarah]

I did not know that DD sold the trio recently. Congrats!

Oooh. Nice to see another Muelleri fan.

 

[CedzAquAddictio]

Alright, I was going to keep quiet about this until after QT was over, but I'm certain that won't be a problem at this point.

I received the first cf. lanceolatus from DD nearly 3 weeks ago from this recent influx. I didn't psychically predict the price yesterday. :spin2:

This is THE fish currently in my QT:

You sneaky little fish sniper... NICE...

 

[Fish Biscuit]

Congrats, they are beautiful!! Some fish just go quicker than others on DD & others sit there until the price drops. That gold torch had me wanting to reproduce & sell my offspring.

 

[jaa1456]

Evolved how do you know they didn't come from QM? I'm just curious.

 

[evolved]

Evolved how do you know they didn't come from QM? I'm just curious.

The supply line is: RVS Fishworld (Philippines collector) -> Tony's Vault (TFT Distributors divsion - importer) -> Diver's Den

 

[d-man]

fishnerd... I got mine from mike at Nya. It was on his website for 5 days

 

[Deinonych]

The supply line is: RVS Fishworld (Philippines collector) -> Tony's Vault (TFT Distributors divsion - importer) -> Diver's Den

Interesting. Is that a new supply chain? I thought they always used QM.

 

[jaa1456]

The supply line is: RVS Fishworld (Philippines collector) -> Tony's Vault (TFT Distributors divsion - importer) -> Diver's Den

I talked to someone with very close connections and was told none were avaliable.

 

[fishnerd]

fishnerd... I got mine from mike at Nya. It was on his website for 5 days

Thanks for the heads up, I didn't buy them the other day on Divers Den because I will be leaving for a vacation and wouldn't be able to receive them. If I had known that I could call Divers Den and just purchase them, then I would have done that. I never knew that was ever available since it has always been said first come first served on the update time. That is my only issue.

Bryan

 

[MikeandNicole]

Well both the cf. lanceloutus are gone, stupid UPS shipping.

That lunate wrasse is back up today though which is really nice.

 

[YKTea]

This added to my confusion.

From RB:
There are two pintail fairy wrasses, the large Cirrhilabrus lanceolatus usually from Japan and the smaller Cirrhilabrus cf. lanceolatus which is known from Japan and the northern Philippines. In regards to the smaller dwarf pintail, this is an undescribed species sometimes referred to as Cirrhilabrus sp. 1 but there is a lot to describe on this exquisite little reef fish.

We have to confess that when it comes to aquarium wrasses, we very much enjoy many different species of labrids, especially Flashers and Fairies in other people's aquariums. That is, except for the dwarf Cirrhilabrus like C. johnsoni and this C. cf. lanceolatus. Like C. squirei, these "œdwarf" fairy wrasses have a lot more patterning than their larger brethren and the females are especially endowed with delicate, beautiful markings on both the face and the body.

Either way I am happy to be receiving one (from nya).

This TBH.

I don't agree with the usage of "dwarf" and "pintail". It's way too confusing.

I have put up articles on RB about pintails, lunatus, squirei, that hybrid and most recently on brunneus. I always make sure to avoid confusion but it just takes one post to mess every thing up.

Not saying it's wrong, but lanceolatus as lanceolatus and cf lanceolatus as pintail is the only way i would call it. Anyway dr senou has already finished with cf lanceolatus description for awhile now but for some reason it hasn been published. When he does, I hope all this confusion ends.

 

[ingtar_shinowa]

I may not have spent the amount of money certain "people" have spent, but that shouldn't matter.
Bryan

Maybe if you were running a non-profit charity. I think its silly to expect a business not to occasionally cater to its more consistent customers. I wouldn't blame Kevin if this was the majority of his practices honestly, but I know for certain it is not.

As for this special fish. You should read these forums often. I was blessed from some great friends (some in this post) that toss me a heads up when they hear a rumor of certain fish.

Everyday I check the Reef Fish forum, NYA, DD, PIA, a couple other forums, and several collection and wholesale facebook pages to see if there might be something available.

When I see a fish coming up on DD I use my wife to snipe from her work.

Nose to the grindstone Bryan, fortunately it looks as if RVS hit a honey hole and we will see cf lancelotus in good supply.