Spot on my new fish

[LatinoHeatCHI]

Brush it off. I thought 2hrs was more than enough. Especially if you have a very healthy specimen. Delicate or not 2 hours is suffice. Seriously try another shop if you got 2 bad fish it might not be the batch or maybe it is. Why bother?

 

[Sullyman]

Too much time, not too little, is what I think the aquatics broker meant about the demise of the fish. I know I've never taken that long to get livestock out of a bag and into a tank.
Don't get angry when you get feedback you don't like/agree with, it's just another hobbyist's opinion.

 

[Mr. Thingdoer]

If you'll reread it he said its not enough time. He actually suggested 4 hours. In 2 hours I did a 3x turnover. If I wanted to do a 6x turnover, it would take 4 hours. The only time you need to rush a fish out of a bag is when its been sitting in transit for 24hrs because the oxygen levels are low, and amonia is high. The fish was in the bag for the 20 minute drive home, then in acclimation for the amount of time suggested by every single authority I've read.

 

[Ragby]

I doubt it was acclimation. I had a midas blenny a couple of years ago and I bag acclimated him (I didn't know about drip acclimation at the time) over the course of a half hour. He was totally fine. They are usually very easy to keep/hardy fish. You could probably get away with just throwing a healthy one into the tank after floating the bag for awhile. Unfortunately, this pair was a dud. My guess is that it has something to do with the handling at the store if it's not your tank.

 

[Pufferpunk]

I just got my new BlueZoo order in & was thinking about how I acclimate. I float the bag for 15-20 min in the tank the fish is going into. Then put the fish with the bag water into a bucket & use the drip line supplied by the company (they include an acclimation kit with each purchase). They also supply a small tube of Stress Guard I add to the bucket. Once the water volume doubles, I discard 1/2 the water from the bucket & repeat the process 2-3x, thus insuring there winds up being more tank water than bagged water after about an hour or 2. I then net the fish & place into a dark tank.

 

[Mr. Thingdoer]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=15590226#post15590226 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Ragby
My guess is that it has something to do with the handling at the store if it's not your tank.

The store workers are actually really knowledgeable and I trust them to receive fish without problems. I'm not going to blame them.

 

[Mr. Thingdoer]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=15590451#post15590451 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Pufferpunk
I just got my new BlueZoo order in & was thinking about how I acclimate. I float the bag for 15-20 min in the tank the fish is going into. Then put the fish with the bag water into a bucket & use the drip line supplied by the company (they include an acclimation kit with each purchase). They also supply a small tube of Stress Guard I add to the bucket. Once the water volume doubles, I discard 1/2 the water from the bucket & repeat the process 2-3x, thus insuring there winds up being more tank water than bagged water after about an hour or 2. I then net the fish & place into a dark tank.

That's how I do it.

 

[Pufferpunk]

Like I said, they need to know & will stand behind their fish. Today's the best day to go, the guy who orders their fish is there: Glen.

 

[cas]

2 fish dying that soon after being brought home are either dead from acclamation, but it sounds like that is not the case here. Or from poor handling practices along the collection route. Which maybe the case here. That is why it would be good to talk to the LFS owner to find out where the fish came from. This maygive you an indication if it was the handling process.

 

[Mr. Thingdoer]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=15592310#post15592310 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by cas
2 fish dying that soon after being brought home are either dead from acclamation, but it sounds like that is not the case here. Or from poor handling practices along the collection route. Which maybe the case here. That is why it would be good to talk to the LFS owner to find out where the fish came from. This maygive you an indication if it was the handling process.

After doing even more research online, and talking to a few fish handlers including Glenn at Coral Reef I've found closure to this tragedy.

Midas Blennys' have a high mortality rate due to poor collection and handling procedures. Fish stores typically receive a number of Midas Blenny's at a time, and a rather high percentage of them do not survive the stresses of the journey from the sea to captivity. The healthiest of specimens will live a long life in captivity, but the less fortunate usually do not survive much more than a week.

One local fish store in particular lost 2 out of 3 in the first week after their last shipment of Midas Blennys'. The sole survivor has adapted to captive life and been healthy for at least month now. His price is $80
Another local store has had one for at least 2 months, but he's priced at $90

Many times this is the reason you'll see some Midas Blennys' priced at $80-90, and others priced at $25-35. The wholesale price on a Midas Blenny can be as low as $10, but if you factor in the mortality rate, then you'll understand the pricing structure. Typically the more expensive specimens have proven their adaptability.

You should only attempt to keep specimens who have proven their adaptability by purchasing Midas Blennys' that have been healthy in the store for two or more weeks, otherwise its a big risk.

BTW Puffer, Glenn say's hi

 

[mm949]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=15588724#post15588724 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Mr. Thingdoer
If you'll reread it he said its not enough time. He actually suggested 4 hours. In 2 hours I did a 3x turnover. If I wanted to do a 6x turnover, it would take 4 hours. The only time you need to rush a fish out of a bag is when its been sitting in transit for 24hrs because the oxygen levels are low, and amonia is high. The fish was in the bag for the 20 minute drive home, then in acclimation for the amount of time suggested by every single authority I've read.

...actually its the opposite:smokin:

 

[Mr. Thingdoer]

Well it would be much easier to understand if you didn't speak in haiku.

Also, let me guess, you're the one who imported the fish? Apex, or something like that right?

 

[Mr. Thingdoer]

Let's break down what you're trying to say:

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=15586234#post15586234 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by mm949
.....its possible that's your issue

if the LFS is running a lower salinty its important that u double check it before u add the fish

It's common knowledge that fish stores run hyposalinity... Coral Reef runs at 1.018 which is why we slowly adjust the water (drip acclimate)

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=15586234#post15586234 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by mm949

....a 2hr drip unless u are changing out 6x the volume wont correct SG

So then what will correct the SG if a 2 hour drip won't?

You write like Yoda would.

By saying it won't correct the SG, what you're implying is that we haven't reached the target tanks SG yet.


Here's a quote from Ronald Shimek

"I generally acclimate about 2 or 3 hours per 0.001 sp. g. unit. So for a change of 1.022 to 1.024, I would acclimate about 4 to 6 hours. A lot of animals can be acclimated more rapidly, but stressed snails can't."

 

[Mr. Thingdoer]

Bob Fenner suggests

"As a general rule, between an hour and two hours for fish should be fine, with longer for corals and other invertebrates. The drip speed example you give sounds fine for fish, say 4 hours for most inverts and corals, and 8 for asteroids."

 

[Douglas LEHMAN]

Hello
I have had great success making the water in the quarantine aquarium the same as where the fish came from, Apex or not...

 

[Mr. Thingdoer]

Thanks Doug!

Anybody else want to kick me?

Running your QT at the SG of the fish store is not advised anyways

Quote from Scott Fellman
"The quarantine tank's water chemical parameters (pH, etc.) and temperature should approximate these found in your main system."

"I like to keep the quarantine tank at a "normal" specific gravity (1.022 "“ 1.026)."

 

[Roman Ogee]

Proper acclimation of a fish in short transit:

Do a 50% water change every 5 minutes until the salt levels are the same. This means you are removing as much water as you are adding every 5 minutes. Doing it fast like this does not give the oxygen or ph levels a chance to drop, thus defeating the purpose of an acclimation to begin with. The levels are still good, so keep them that way and acclimate for salinity.

It's when you get a fish that has been shipped over night is when you want to drip acclimate over a few hours. The ph is extremely low and the ammonia may be high. So you need to slowly acclimate these fish so you don't shock them. You want to let the dangerous levels slowly correct themselves. You still need to change water out when you're drip acclimating.

 

[Sullyman]

You base that on whose quote Roman? Your experience, can't be, too many quotable people seem to disagree....................

 

[Mr. Thingdoer]

Alright, I killed the fish

Both of them...

By a 2 hour drip acclimation.

You guys are unbelievable.

 

[badazztealcobra]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=15595119#post15595119 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Mr. Thingdoer
Alright, I killed the fish

Both of them...

By a 2 hour drip acclimation.

You guys are unbelievable.

Whoa. Take a deep breath, we're all just trying to get to what the possible problem might have been.

I personally always check the water with my refractometer to make sure the SG is the same before transferring. I dont know if Ive ever based it on timeframe, always based it on water parameters. It could meet in 30 minutes or take a handful of hours, but I wouldnt be able to tell just by time, so I test the water before transferring.

Nobody is BLAMING you for killing fish, it sucks that it happened, everyone is trying to help with possible resolutions from what Ive read... No need to get so defensive.

Nobody said your 2 hour drip KILLED the fish, he said it was POSSIBLE that was the problem. They couldve just been sick to begin with or like you quoted that they can be bad shippers.