SPS Dominated 47G Reef

Discuss with me your PAR range throughout your tank. It seems (based on some numbers you provided) you are getting 150 on bottom, up to 400 or so at top of the tank.

I know that fixture is a monster with PAR, so how high do you have it above the tank? Do you find the best coloration at these PAR levels? How is growth effected when PAR is 300 vs 600?

You seem to be one of the few trying to minimize PAR to your corals to some extent....as I've noticed some other tanks pushing 600-900 where some of the top acros are....however, they do appear a little pale to me...


It also seems PAR can be pushed differently depending on lighting source.

Leds seem to do best from 150-300
T5s somewhat similar but are a little more forgiving 150-450
MH seem to be most forgiving, 150-600....i rarely see people bleach coral with MH....

I would like to hear your thoughts about your particular PAR and your beliefs it has on coral color.

Thanks!
 
Discuss with me your PAR range throughout your tank. It seems (based on some numbers you provided) you are getting 150 on bottom, up to 400 or so at top of the tank.

Hi. Here is a PAR map of my tank as it was a couple of years ago I think...forgot to be honest...tank does NOT look like that now. This was the 2nd reset of this tank.
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Previous to the current incarnation of the setup, I was running the LED's at 700mA. Now running at 350mA and PAR has decreased a little around the edges (T5's unchanged), with most of the drop in PAR around the middle/under the LEDs...this has balanced the PAR spread across the whole of the tank with little or no hotspot) At 700mA I felt it was a little too much PAR in the centre area...see the numbers on the PAR map. Some of those numbers are just too high IMO (particularly since I am using a combo of T5 (which bathes most parts of a coral and Blue LED's which are high in PUR and very directional). Whilst most corals were very colourful, a small number were a bit pale for my taste.

Here is a sample of photos when this SAME system was at its peak (the previous year) with the PAR numbers as those in that PAR MAP:

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It really does sadden me to see how good my tank was and that I lost it all...and had nothing but problems the past few years...

To continue the discussion; With the LED's at 350mA, most of the corals receive 220 to 250PAR. I have one rock which reaches fairly high in the water volume, and it is here where the PAR is around 400 at peak. You have to remember that my tank is only 18inches high, the water line is almost 2 inches away from the top due to being rimless...then subtract 24mm from the bottom because the tank has 2 x 12mm bases...which makes the water height somewhere around 15.5inches, so the PAR drop isnt much.

The corners of my tank right at the bottom is around 150 even with the LED's at 350mA. At the centre of the tank on the bottom its about 190-220.

The weakest area is where I have planted the Red Planet; I wanted to retain the green colouration in the Red Planet...at higher PAR it loses the green.

So to sum up; most of my corals get around the 220-250PAR, the Red Planet, Branching Cyphastrea (which is not an SPS), and a few other deepwaters/smooth skinned Acros get the lower end of the PAR level.

A selected few like Milli/Prostrata type get the higher end at 250 to just under 400.

(Note also that the Apogee meter under reads by about 5-10% depending on the diode wavelength).

I know that fixture is a monster with PAR, so how high do you have it above the tank? Do you find the best coloration at these PAR levels? How is growth effected when PAR is 300 vs 600?

My ATI Sunpower unit sits 8inches above the waterline. I would say that colouration is fine at these PAR levels. I wouldnt be able to really tell you if the 300vs600 which would be better because back when I used 250w Metal Halides with T5 supplements, I didnt have access to a PAR. At 600 PAR a lot of SPS will reach photoinhibition and would be trying their best to stay alive, so growth will likely get slower as you reach photoinhibition levels. Going by this same setup, when the PAR was much higher, I would say some colours were perhaps a little more intense (eg greens), but overall, colours are just as good when I had slightly higher PAR, with some corals like I said maybe a little pale.

This fits in nicely with explanation in literature. - See:

1. Chart showing PAR requirements of certain corals:
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2. Table 1 right at the bottom of this article: - Table 1. Compensation, Saturation and Photoinhibition Points of various reef animals (which includes a few more SPS species not in above chart:
http://www.advancedaquarist.com/2007/3/aafeature1

3. See also this article which goes into explaining how certain colours with appear more intensified under higher PAR:
http://www.advancedaquarist.com/2009/1/aafeature1

The articles has charts such as this one which shows that over 400 PAR the intensity of certain colours diminish:
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4. Aside from Literature, here is a post by another RC member with LOTS of reefkeeping experience, completely agreeing with me in respect of PAR requirements from a practical point of view:
http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/showpost.php?p=22072763&postcount=183

You seem to be one of the few trying to minimize PAR to your corals to some extent....as I've noticed some other tanks pushing 600-900 where some of the top acros are....however, they do appear a little pale to me...
Like the reefkeeper I linked immediately above, a lot of us old timers will say 250 is plenty...It doesnt need to be 250...it could be 300 etc, but its the sort of figure that in my experience is a good baseline, and if you know you are hitting around 250-300 on most SPS and they are still brown; then you need to look elsewhere like your water quality etc.

So with regards to PAR levels for SPS, yes, in my experience one can have very good colour in most SPS with about 250 PAR.

It also seems PAR can be pushed differently depending on lighting source.

Leds seem to do best from 150-300
T5s somewhat similar but are a little more forgiving 150-450
MH seem to be most forgiving, 150-600....i rarely see people bleach coral with MH....

That is along the lines of my experience as well. Particularly with LED's...I think they are so directional and most of the light from LED's hit the upper surface of the coral...whereas with T5 or MH the coral is hit with light from a far greater range of angles ie very diffuse light with T5 and with MH due to the large reflectors etc.

I would like to hear your thoughts about your particular PAR and your beliefs it has on coral color.

Well, you have my thoughts and a lot of it is backed up literature too. Get the baseline PAR and concentrate on your water quality, keeping your paramters stable, keeping the hands out the tank and things like pests.

You wouldnt believe it, but my first SPS tank was a nano tank lit with 3 x 18watt T8's. This was more than about 12 or 13 years ago...back then nano tanks werent taken as seriously as the larger tanks...and many people did say that you couldnt keep acropora healthy and coloured up in nano tanks due to swings and low light levels. Well I did. And I had good colour too. But I did have the SPS corals 3 inches under the waterline with the lights only 2 inches above the water. But it worked and I had nice colour in my SPS.

Light is only one factor in SPS corals. As long as you got the baseline: ie around 250 for most, less for others like Monti Caps etc then your lights are fine. Where extra PAR will most likely help is when the tank is in a eutrophic stage, extra PAR will cause the coral to expel at least some of the Zooxanthellae.

Water quality and food has SO much more to do with SPS colour than light IMO...because it is very easy to hit most SPS with decent PAR.

In respect of SPS growth, with decent light levels and stable parameters and Alk, Ca and Mg at suitable levels one should get decent growth rates.
 
That is a lot of great information in respect to the lighting, thanks for puttin that up. Great photos also!
 
That is a lot of great information in respect to the lighting, thanks for puttin that up. Great photos also!

No problem. 95% of my SPS keeping knowledge comes from ReefCentral and its members... I feel I should give back to the community.

I made a statement about PAR level and so due to being asked about it; its better to give a detailed response.

I think many people get caught up worrying about their lighting when, generally speaking, most lighting is quite adequate...its the water quality that usually needs looking at when SPS dont colour up well.

Thanks for compliment about the photos. Hopefully in the next 3 months I will have better colour in my SPS and will be able to provide a decent FTS.

Growth has really taken off in the past few weeks. :D
 
I think many people get caught up worrying about their lighting when, generally speaking, most lighting is quite adequate...its the water quality that usually needs looking at when SPS dont colour up well.

That should be the quote of the month. :thumbsup:
 
Wow, looking good Sahin :)

This is a nice piece. Reminds me of a Tenuis I had before my crash.

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Love the tissue on this one! Really nice.

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This is also really nice. Is the polyps as red as it seems?

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Thumbs up! Looking forward to more pictures.
 
Wow, looking good Sahin :)

This is a nice piece. Reminds me of a Tenuis I had before my crash.

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Love the tissue on this one! Really nice.

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This is also really nice. Is the polyps as red as it seems?

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Thumbs up! Looking forward to more pictures.

That first one is some sort of Super Blue Tenius. I have 2 other Tenius looking acros with same Blue/Green colouration...but they dont have the same intense colours.

That last pic is a an accurate representation of the colours. The tips are sort pink, and the polyps are muddy red, wouldnt say the polyps are red. At least thats how it looks on my laptop monitor and how the colour is. Because of the Pink tips and some green on the branches, it was sold to me as a Shortcake.

So when are you gonna unleash some pics with the PM?? Your keeping secrets!

Shhhhhhh!!! :fun2:

The LED Powermodule weighs a ton! My current wall brackets have a max capacity of 10Kg. This PM weighs more...dont want it falling into the tank. :lol:

I have to go out and buy something much better. Plus it needs to be cream or white coloured or else wife is going to scream at me...Then fit it...thats going to tough with the tank in place.

Then I got loads of wires to sort out. The PM LED needs only 1 socket which is good...my current T5/LED Sunpower needs 5 sockets!!! :lol:

So I need to sort out a whole range of stuff before I can setup the lights. I will post some shots of the light in the meantime.
 
My New Light!

My New Light!

I'm so stoked about this light! Its beautiful, sexy and powerful! The light exudes quality! :dance: Cant set it up yet over the tank because I need stronger wall brackets. But I took some shots to show off the beauty of this light.

You know you've got quality when you see this branding:
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View of the T5 fans, the LED fans (in the centre) and the LED hot air exhaust:
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Closeup shot of the T5 fans and LED hot air exhaust:
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Had to keep the kids happy whilst I was snapping shots of my new toy, they thought it was so funny:
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Look at the sexy curve :lol2:
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Underneath shot: This is just high quality engineering.
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Closeup on the LED's
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Lets test this light:
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With all lights.
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Closeup on the T5 and Reflector
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Controller
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Controller Screen
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Connection between Fixture and Controller
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Easily snaps on and locks with a twist
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USB connection to set lights with desktop software
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Sooo happy with this light! T5+LED with Dimming and complete coverage of my tank. To be honest, I plan to upgrade sometime next year to a 93G cube, so I bought this light with that in mind too.
 
Congratulations on your new purchase Sahin. It looks awesome. I wish I had the fund to buy the 39W version for my tank. Did you buy it from Fastlights?

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Hooley dooley Sahin that's a potent SPS light you have there mate, i'd be a grinning idiot if i had one of those ATI hybrids to hang over the display. :thumbsup:
Thanks for the detailed lighting info, much appreciated by all of us mate. Those new pics look just as tasty as the first batch, there's still time to get rid of all that green crap before they encrust too much btw.........:lol2:

Dip that bloody chimp before you put him in the display, reef monkeys are known carriers of AEFW.......... one part banana smoothie to 10 parts tank water is the usual dose......... :fun4:
 
Congratulation Sahin. I am so jealous. Yours makes my DiY T5/Led hybrid like a piece of garbage. Can't wait to see it put to work.
 
Hooley dooley Sahin that's a potent SPS light you have there mate, i'd be a grinning idiot if i had one of those ATI hybrids to hang over the display. :thumbsup:
Thanks for the detailed lighting info, much appreciated by all of us mate. Those new pics look just as tasty as the first batch, there's still time to get rid of all that green crap before they encrust too much btw.........:lol2:

Dip that bloody chimp before you put him in the display, reef monkeys are known carriers of AEFW.......... one part banana smoothie to 10 parts tank water is the usual dose......... :fun4:

LOL. You are too funny man.

Those new pics are of the corals are OLD pics LOL. They were from my tank as it was more than 2 years ago.

Some of that green crap I like! LOL. I dont have Acro collecting Roos coming up to my door with Strawberry Shortcakes and other pretty corals. So I gotta have a few greens in the tank. :spin2:

Congratulation Sahin. I am so jealous. Yours makes my DiY T5/Led hybrid like a piece of garbage. Can't wait to see it put to work.

Thank. But I've seen pics of your T5/LED unit and it looks quite tidy and neat. I bought this with a tank upgrade in mind. But I'm looking forward to see what it can do for my current tank.

Nice pics and SPS.
Many thanks. :)
What a nice fixture!
Thanks for the images!

Grandis.

Thanks Grandis. Its a beautiful fixture for sure.
 
Very cool. I am also considering swap to ATI T5+LED 48 inch for my 2014 new tank. However, when I spoke to the Taiwan dealer, he mentioned ATI now use MIC (Made in China) controller and not as great as before. I actually don't care who made it, but quality have to good. For that, can you keep posting us your feedback/experience on ATI light. Many thanks.
 
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