Stand Top Not Flat

Its funny anytime anybody talk about putting foam under a tank EVERYONE automatically thinks its to support the bottom of the tank...Like for an acrylic tank... I used foam around the rim..not under the glass and it works flawlessly. I had the exact same issue. I used high density window seal foam not styrofoam.

Well just so you know, it is not us that you are disagreeing with, rather the tank manufacturers that say NOT to put foam (of any type) under a rimmed tank. It does not solve any problems with the stand and/or tank, and in fact it aggravates the issue.

Regards,

Jim
 
again its not meant to support the bottom of the GLASS. under the rim makes no difference. I saw just today at petco they had tank pads for sale to go between the stand and tank. Did you have a tank fail because you put foam under the rim???? No, you are saying it aggravates an issue you do not have personal experience with.
 
this is right from glasscages.com

http://www.glasscages.com/?sAction=AqWarranty

This is for the GLASS aquariums

All aquariums must be set up on commercially manufactured stands only. A sheet of 3/4" Styrofoam (reaching completely side-to-side and front-to-back) must be placed between the tank and the surface of the stand. Aquariums should not be set on wood furniture, stereos, televisions, or other surfaces that have not been designed to support an aquarium. Setting up the aquarium on a homemade stand or on a surface such as the ones mentioned above can result in stress breakage of the side or bottom glass panels of the aquarium. Breakage is NOT guaranteed. It is very important to follow the INSTRUCTIONS:
 
this is right from glasscages.com

http://www.glasscages.com/?sAction=AqWarranty

This is for the GLASS aquariums

All aquariums must be set up on commercially manufactured stands only. A sheet of 3/4" Styrofoam (reaching completely side-to-side and front-to-back) must be placed between the tank and the surface of the stand. Aquariums should not be set on wood furniture, stereos, televisions, or other surfaces that have not been designed to support an aquarium. Setting up the aquarium on a homemade stand or on a surface such as the ones mentioned above can result in stress breakage of the side or bottom glass panels of the aquarium. Breakage is NOT guaranteed. It is very important to follow the INSTRUCTIONS:


Call them up. This applies to rimless glass tanks, and rimless tanks only. Or rimmed tanks in which the bottom glass sits flush with the bottom of the rim. The foam is to eliminate POINT stress, that will cause the bottom to fail. I cannot pinpoint exactly when the inaccurate information concerning the use of foam under tanks started, or where. But I imagine it started not soon after rimless glass tanks started gaining popularity, and by word of mouth, the information was corrupted to mean something entirely different. Back in the "days of old" no one had foam under their tanks, even acrylic tanks. This is bad information.

And as long as going off on this, might as well go the rest of the way. The proviso on stands is exactly what this thread is all about: It is not easy to make a stand that has a dead level, dead square, dead flat surface, at home-- with out a good arsenal of tools for the task. And with any tank, regardless of design, a DIY stand voids the warranty.

A rimless glass tank, can be put on a stand supported only around the outside edge of the tank if 1: The bottom glass is thicker than the side glass, (and this is represented by the second thickness "bottom thickness" that I include in answer to how thick does the glass need to be for a rimless X" x Y" x Z". 2: The bottom glass is of greater thickness, and is raised inside the sides. Do not try this at home, if you do not know what you are doing.

A rimmed glass tank, does not, and has never required a top on the stand, only the rim of the stand, and of that, only the corners need to be supported, however, it is a good move to have the whole perimeter of the tank sitting on the stand, within reason. Small gaps, paper thickness, even credit card thickness will not present too much of a problem as long as the corners sit square and flush on the stand. So if the corners are not on the same plane, or the tank corners do not sit on the stand, as the case here, the tank is in jeopardy, and foam will not correct the problem. The foam is a cushion, not support. If not sooner, then later, the tank will give out. It may be a broken panel, or a popped seam, or both.

J
 
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Small gaps, paper thickness, even credit card thickness will not present too much of a problem as long as the corners sit square and flush on the stand. So if the corners are not on the same plane, or the tank corners do not sit on the stand, as the case here, the tank is in jeopardy, and foam will not correct the problem. The foam is a cushion, not support. If not sooner, then later, the tank will give out. It may be a broken panel, or a popped seam, or both.

J

Just curious, are glass tanks meant to have some give or bow to them? If not, I wouldn't think it would matter if the gap were as thin as a cc or thick as a phonebook.
 
my experience was with perfecto and they would not warranty the tank for leaks or breakage if it wasnt on their stand ,this was a large tank 210 gal. glass really has no give so yes the front panel could minutly bow but its the stress on the bottom edges that will cause a failure .when a stand is not perfectly flat it creats stress that can lead to failure . many "factory" stands come and they are way out of wack but they are also built in a way that when filled they support correctly with no hot spots .factory stands are fit with a toungue and groove system and they have a bit of play built in by design . a diy stand is usually overbuilt and if its out of wack it will hold that shape even when the tank above is fully filled thats why they mustbe built very close to perfect or you may have failure . often the failure will take months or years to surface and people neglect to look at the stand and think its the tank . 99.9% of tanks will not fail for life if properly installed ,supported ,and maintained . also mant people scrape at the silicon in an attempt to clean and that action needs to be done with caution as not to impair the integrity of the siloconed joint .
 
Honestly I am not too concerned about the warranty. If the tank failed for any reason the $162 I spent on the tank will likely be the least of my concerns. The LFS is ordering me a new tank and returning this one to perfecto.

I did email Perfecto asking their advice, I have not heard back yet but I am sure the first thing they will say is, "is it on our stand?."
 
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