Stealing names

[Gill_bucket]

Is it just me, or is it really irritating when people have a "look alike" coral and sell it under a known name? If you have a wild colony of zoas should you really be telling people they are Sopranos, or hornets, or whatever? I get that they were all wild at some point but without lineage isn't it basically theft of intellectual property? <<<<<<< that was a little harsh and I'm not saying these people should be sued or anything but arn't these people just ripping us off?

 

[Gill_bucket]

This is the kind of thing I'm talking about.

 

[Peter Eichler]

They're not ripping people off anymore than the people that came up with the name in the first place...

 

[Gill_bucket]

LOL. I suppose that's true. Except with the originators you were getting exactly what they claimed. In this case, not so much.

 

[CyclistMT]

They're not ripping people off anymore than the people that came up with the name in the first place...

+1

LOL. I suppose that's true. Except with the originators you were getting exactly what they claimed. In this case, not so much.

Except there are many fish....er Zoas in the sea so there's bound to be more that one source for each "named" variety. It's not like these originators cultured them through successive generations (like flowers) to deserve the distinction of a specific name. It's all hype to increase the price of frag/polyp.

 

[Gill_bucket]

I see what your saying but if I want a Oregon Mummy Eye Chalice and im willing to pay X ammount for it, it's not really not cool for someone to sell me a paler green version under the same name.

Seems like you guys just don't like the name game, that's totally fine, to each his own. However if you lie to me and tell me you have an Oregon Blue Tort, when what you really have is a less impressive blue tort how is that OK?

If sellers don't want to play then fine, but don't cheat.

 

[dkeller_nc]

Well, unfortunately if you like the name game, you're "building on sand" as the saying goes. Horticultural names given to plants are registered and protected. Coral names aren't, and by definition "Mummy Eye Chalice" has no meaning nor protection.

Buyer beware.

 

[Reefmedic79]

I feel it's kinda of a rip to name them as well, I buy corals because I like the way they look, not because of the name.

Funny story, had a friend selling some frags of some great looking corals that had no "name" on them didn't get a bite anywhere from anyone. He then reposted it as a Bob Barker Boogyman Acro and got PM's from everywhere, he did put a disclaimer afterwards stating he just made the name up, but some people will buy a name over the coral itself.

 

[terrypercula]

I feel it's kinda of a rip to name them as well, I buy corals because I like the way they look, not because of the name.

Funny story, had a friend selling some frags of some great looking corals that had no "name" on them didn't get a bite anywhere from anyone. He then reposted it as a Bob Barker Boogyman Acro and got PM's from everywhere, he did put a disclaimer afterwards stating he just made the name up, but some people will buy a name over the coral itself.

TBH who wouldn't want Bob Barker Boogeyman Acros lmao in all seriousness there are so many different kind sometimes the seller himself doesn't know. Buy what you like and know gat you're buying.

 

[Reefmedic79]

I told him he should have stuck with the name, because it does sound awesome.

 

[thegrun]

It bothers me more when people "name" their corals and then feel justified charging 10 times what it should be worth.

 

[LobsterOfJustice]

It seems like the standard changed when names moved from SPS to zoas. A named SPS used to mean it literally had lineage from the original colony and could be traced back. Naming corals allowed people on the east coast to start getting nice SPS and it is an easy way to spread nice corals to the masses. It gives a consistency that you can rely on.

You ARE ripping people off more than the people that same up with the name in the first place. A named coral has a known hardiness after being captive propagated for several generations, and has known color and growth characteristics under certain conditions. If you import something that looks like a superman monti, but grows slow and gets brown under LEDs and is less hardy, but sell it as a superman, you are ripping people off.

 

[Gill_bucket]

I totally agree with the hardiness, another great thing about names is the ability to look up there prefered flow and lighting not to mention how fast they will grow.

 

[Gill_bucket]

If your looking for a specific coral, you may want to stear clear of this seller...

 

[Gill_bucket]

 

[kclewis]

This thread is funny. Are you fighting with someone on facebook? Do you get papers when you buy coral like its a horse or champion bloodline dog?

 

[Gill_bucket]

This thread is funny. Are you fighting with someone on facebook? Do you get papers when you buy coral like its a horse or champion bloodline dog?

I just think its crazy that someone would openly admit to being a liar like that. :strooper:

 

[lokii_37]

This thread is funny. Are you fighting with someone on facebook? Do you get papers when you buy coral like its a horse or champion bloodline dog?

This is where it is at for me. When sellers start providing authenticated paper work with "known lineage" then I'm all for the names. Otherwise buy what you like not the name that is popular.

 

[Gill_bucket]

The paperwork thing is really not a bad idea, I know that TCM was considering it for the OME. I was lucky enough to get a piece once removed from him, so I knew what I had. So I guess buying directly is alway an option. Buying from reputable sources is another way to go.

Like I said before if you don't like names no ones trying to force them on you. I just think its underhanded to sell a wild zoa as anything but. Of course if its really nice and you want to name it go ahead. Just don't lie about it.

 

[reefgeak]

I heard jason fox has corals that come with papers if your willing to pay 500 for 1/2 in sps frags.LOL