Strange rock from beach turns out to be a clam?

[Jeremy Blaze]

YEs, its for real. Thats my job.

I never said that this case was illegal, but others that have been mentioned are, and as it has been stated, people have gotten in trouble for posting about cases where they have broken the law.

 

[Ryanqk]

That may be true jeremy, but the reason i asked you to not go back to that topic is i dont want my thread to be hijacked and become an off topic argument between people who collect and those who do over rules. Thats why i posted this thread in the "clam/mollusk" discussion board. I have lost several threads that way and so have many others. This isnt a personal attack just an attempt by myself to keep this discussion on topic.
Ryan

 

[zuzecawi]

That's a turkey wing alright, I have a few in my tank that came in on my florida live rock. Oh, before the flame war starts, it was aquacultured live rock from the now defunct liverocks.com and gorgeous stuff. Mine came in with a neat red sponge encrustation on one and it lived like that just fine for 3 years until a recent tank crash (due to electrical failure that was house wide, long story) when the sponge died but the mollusk lived. The other turkey wing is just fine, they've both been pretty hardy. I do feed my tank a bi weekly dose of live phytoplankton and live rotifers, and daily small amounts of cyclopeeze. I noticed on mine the mantle appears to be black, and they prefer to hang themselves under rocks. Pretty cool critters. Mine are fairly well encrusted too, but the definitive lines are just as your finds' are. No doubt in my mind, anyways.

 

[Ryanqk]

yeah i agree, i think weve nailed the ID, turkey wing clam. now im trying to decide if/ how much of the encrustations to remove. I have always dosed DT phyto so i think itll be feeding fine

 

[Kogo]

Re: Strange rock from beach turns out to be a clam?

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10152360#post10152360 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Ryanqk
I was out at the beach here in ft. luaderdale yesterday and i found what i thought was a rock encrusted with some orange encrusting sponge or coralline algae. I put it in my tank...

So, when you collected it, did you know it was a bivalve or did you believe it to be a rock?

In the end, legality is the result of what the specimen actually is. However, what we believe something is when we collect it reflects our attitudes toward legality.

I believe that we as south Florida hobbyists should have the utmost concern for keeping within the bounds of collection laws. Moreover, I believe that we should also seek to prevent even the appearance of impropriety and avoid any confusion over our diligence in keeping the laws.

my thoughts are partly a result of a conversation I had a few years back with a local club member over collecting blue leg hermits and adhering to the aggregate limit of 20 organisms per day (I was the collector). It may seem trivial, but it sets a standard of how we represent ourselves to other hobbyists. Since then I have worked to be very aware of how my collection decisions are perceived by others.

I think legal collection is a great privilege, but I think we (south Floridians) should accept the burden of being as clear as possible at the onset of posts of representing ourselves as considerate and conscientious collectors operating within Florida law.

 

[Jeremy Blaze]

Re: Re: Strange rock from beach turns out to be a clam?

Re: Re: Strange rock from beach turns out to be a clam?

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10233122#post10233122 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Kogo
So, when you collected it, did you know it was a bivalve or did you believe it to be a rock?

In the end, legality is the result of what the specimen actually is. However, what we believe something is when we collect it reflects our attitudes toward legality.

I believe that we as south Florida hobbyists should have the utmost concern for keeping within the bounds of collection laws. Moreover, I believe that we should also seek to prevent even the appearance of impropriety and avoid any confusion over our diligence in keeping the laws.

my thoughts are partly a result of a conversation I had a few years back with a local club member over collecting blue leg hermits and adhering to the aggregate limit of 20 organisms per day (I was the collector). It may seem trivial, but it sets a standard of how we represent ourselves to other hobbyists. Since then I have worked to be very aware of how my collection decisions are perceived by others.

I think legal collection is a great privilege, but I think we (south Floridians) should accept the burden of being as clear as possible at the onset of posts of representing ourselves as considerate and conscientious collectors operating within Florida law.

Well said.

 

[Ryanqk]

Kogo once again I am having to defend my thread from a hijacker! I mis-stated the thread title and my original comments about it being a rock, when i physically picked up the item i thought it was a rock, but after i looked closely at it i recognized it was a bivalve. You can cleary see in the picture that from its shape alone its a bivalve. So my decision to take the specimine was just and legal. Also i recently spoke with a FWC officer and asked him if rocks washed up on the beach are legal to collect, he told me anything in that area washed above the water line are fair game, it would be nearly impossible to enforce a law against it with all the beachcombers. While i agree that collecting is a privilage and i always follow these rules to a tee. I have always clearly explained every aspect of this in past posts and threads and posted a link to the collection laws, So please read my entire thread before deciding to chime in. That is enough said and if any more of this occurs i will ask the moderator to close this thread. Those of you who continue to antagonize those of us interested in gaining usefull knowledge should be ashamed. This thread is in a proper location for its subject and legality of collecting this has been established. Continued discussion on turkey wing clams and other bivalves is welcome, not continued harrassment over a "dead horse" issue.
Ryan

 

[RicksReefs]

since you keep posting the wrong information about collecting that could get someone arrested, your thread is the place to correct it.

regardless of what you were 'told', collecting or transporting any carbonate rock is illegal unless you have the paperwork with you that proves you didn't collect it. digging up a weed on public property is illegal if they really want to push it.

 

[Jeremy Blaze]

Kogo's post did not sound like harasment at all.

Just trying to make things clear for others who may read this thread.

 

[Ryanqk]

You are incorrect. I have posted the exact rules for collecting in a previous post. Collecting and transporting carbonate rock isnt illegal and i never collected "rock" anyway. Yes you can take beach rocks home, no you cant take live rock from the water home. None of the legal information i posted is incorrect and it is slanderous to suggest i am posting information that is incorrect esp. since that information you are calling "incorrect" is from the FWC website itself. So you are the one who does not understand the collecting rules. I am asking the moderators to lock this thread since it is apparent that this continued hijacking of my thread will not stop.

 

[RicksReefs]

slander?

no, you cannot take 'beach rock' home. the rock is protected whether it's live or not.

show me anywhere on the FWC site that says otherwise.

maybe after i get home later, I'll dig up the rules about collecting and transporting.

I fail to see why this thread would be locked, you can start a thread but that doesn't mean you get to decide what's said in response to your own words.

 

[Jeremy Blaze]

This is copied from the link you posted on the first page,

Prohibited Species: All harvest is prohibited of the following species:
Live rock

 

[a4twenty]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10245611#post10245611 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Ryanqk
You are incorrect. I have posted the exact rules for collecting in a previous post. Collecting and transporting carbonate rock isnt illegal and i never collected "rock" anyway. Yes you can take beach rocks home, no you cant take live rock from the water home. None of the legal information i posted is incorrect and it is slanderous to suggest i am posting information that is incorrect

slanderous??

here is a quote from your first post

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10152360#post10152360 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Ryanqk
I was out at the beach here in ft. luaderdale yesterday and i found what i thought was a rock encrusted with some orange encrusting sponge or coralline algae. I put it in my tank becuase of the color, well later in the evening after the lights went out my partner called me at work to tell me it was a bivalve or clam of some sort.

and your last post

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10245611#post10245611 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Ryanqk
You are incorrect. I have posted the exact rules for collecting in a previous post. Collecting and transporting carbonate rock isnt illegal and i never collected "rock" anyway. Yes you can take beach rocks home, no you cant take live rock from the water home.

you THOUGHT it was LR when you took it, and that was your plan. now you say the rock wasn't live...... how long do you think bivalves / sponges and coraline can live out of water on beach rock????????

just give it up, your only digging a deeper hole.

 

[Jeremy Blaze]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10245834#post10245834 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by a4twenty
slanderous??

here is a quote from your first post



and your last post




you THOUGHT it was LR when you took it, and that was your plan. now you say the rock wasn't live...... how long do you think bivalves / sponges and coraline can live out of water on beach rock????????

just give it up, your only digging a deeper hole.

tou·ché !

 

[rorchilles]

you guys are ridiculous
its not like he took boulders of live rock from Johnathan penycamp or took a jewfish home
get a life
if you believe that all the coral, livestock,& rock in your tank were collected legally and humanely you are delusional
im from florida and probably 30% of all florida rics are poached
but thats never spoken of.
just relase all of your tank in the ocean and kill yourself

 

[Jeremy Blaze]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10246817#post10246817 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by rorchilles
you guys are ridiculous
its not like he took boulders of live rock from Johnathan penycamp or took a jewfish home
get a life
if you believe that all the coral, livestock,& rock in your tank were collected legally and humanely you are delusional
im from florida and probably 30% of all florida rics are poached
but thats never spoken of.
just relase all of your tank in the ocean and kill yourself

So, then we should just accept it, and allow laws to be expoited?

You know, its illegal to drink and drive, but hey, people do it all the time, so everyone else might as well too!

 

[rorchilles]

if you get caught the laws for dui make you never do it again
if you get caught poaching coral you go to jail
but nitpicking over someone who found a rock / clam @ the beach is stupid
complain about the huge coral poaching operations that run rampant in florida
omplain about the "legal" operations that are run all over the world for our benefit
but a guy @ the beach and a rock come on
my 7yr old daughter took a little rock home from the beach last weekend
should i call fish and game on her
maybe ill turn her in to the police
come on get off your holier than thou soapbox

 

[Jeremy Blaze]

We are not nit picking, just trying to make it clear for others what is and what isnot legal.

If someone where to read qa post about collecting, and then goes out, does it, gets arrested, all because they 'heard' its okay, then who's fault is that.

Just trying to make it clear, that we as responsible reef hobbiests on the largest reef board in the world, should not be encouriging illegal, or unethical practices.

 

[rorchilles]

all of your reef inhabitants were legally collected?
are you sure? are you positive?
you have provinace for all your corals and fish?
i don't but then again i don't chant from my soapbox that others are doing bad things and being irresponsible or unethical
what are the ethics of maintaining an aquarium in Indiana or anywhere else. most of the livestock sold is ripped from its original home and the rarer and more limited the supply the more they cost
this whole hobby is ethically questionable.
i personally don't care.
im not saying you should quit reefing but just quit preaching
just call a spade a spade

 

[Jeremy Blaze]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10247032#post10247032 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by rorchilles
all of your reef inhabitants were legally collected?
are you sure? are you positive?
you have provinace for all your corals and fish?
i

I never said that. I do not know. But, I do buy captive bred, propagated, etc. when ever possible.

I also avoid buying things that I know are illegal, animals that should not be collected, or animals that are known to not have a chance of living in captivity.

Its the little things like this, that help. As well as speaking up for the hobby, demanding better collection practices, etc.... Its the little steps that will help keep this hobby alive, as well as protect the natural environment that we love ( if you do not love the reefs you are probably in the hobby for the wrong reasons)