Such thing as too much flow for Bangaii Cardinals

[rhunt]

Good evening

Anybody know about having too much flow for Bangaii Cardinals?

I have purchased 5 for 125 gallon tank on Sunday and drip acclimated them for well over 2 hours. I've noticed that they aren't really eating much. I've feed them pellets and Rods Reef and Frozen shrimp.

Well I came home today and one was all stuck on one of my Hydor Pumps and it was pretty chewed up.

Well now I am down to 4. I've turn off 2 of my 4 pumps.

Is there any such think has having too much flow? They are very slow and methodical swimmers.

Any ideas would be greatly appreciated.

Thank you.

 

[rhunt]

Another thing!

They all group together behind the rocks. Is that common? When I turn the pumps off for feeding the other fish they then come out and swim in the front of the tank.

This is why I am thinking it is the flow.

 

[nasek718]

Bangii are nocturnal fish. I have a few and they always eat better at night. Mine still hide after being in my tank for 2 yrs but they will come out when my lights are on. Also you never said anything about the other inhabitants on the tank. They are not eal easy to scare but they do rather enjoy their peace. I'm pretty sure flow is not a problem. The zoo here has them in a display w/ a surge bucket. Mine are in a tank w/ 6 powerheads totaling 1770 gph of water movement and another 1000 gph from the return and when seen at night they are hovering in the stream of one of the powerheads (295gph). Just give them some time.

 

[mr_o98]

Cardinal fish are nocturnal. I have a Pajama Cardinal and it hides in the back corner of the tank where there is less light and lower flow. It comes out once the MH turn off, and is active under the actinics. It is even more active when all the lights are off and there is only the moonlight. I feed my fish after the MH go off to make sure it eats. I have had this fish for 4 years.

Your cardinal probably got pulled into the pump because it was just hovering by it.

 

[rhunt]

Great Thank you all for the responses.

 

[RichConley]

Why did you buy 5?

These are paired fish, and they'll kill each other until there are 2 left.

 

[nasek718]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10327196#post10327196 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by RichConley
Why did you buy 5?

These are paired fish, and they'll kill each other until there are 2 left.

I have 6.....that's 3 pair and they all swim together.....If he has 4 left they should be alright.

 

[ralphie16]

how long have you had the 6?

can we pair them at home or do they have to be purchased as a pair?

 

[nasek718]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10327556#post10327556 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by ralphie16
how long have you had the 6?

can we pair them at home or do they have to be purchased as a pair?

2 years is how long they have been in my tank.... I started with eight. One died a few days after I placed in in my tank. The other was killed by the other 6 (Well 2 of the 6). They paired themselves up. Every now and then you will see a one getting chased off. It's suppose to be almost impossible to sex them. The only real difference between them is the males have a deeper jaw which is used for mouth breeding. I guess I just got lucky.

 

[Fredfish]

These are paired fish, and they'll kill each other until there are 2 left.

Umm... if you have 5 males they will kill each other until there is one left. They do not change sex, so you need to start out with males and females.

Sexing bangais is difficult at best. nobody can do it with any certainty. The best way is to put a group together and look for pairing activity, separating the odd ones out before they get killed.

Fred

 

[rhunt]

I've had foot surgery so sorry for the delay in my answering

Yep....that what I heard too.

So I am hoping for 2 pair

Thank you

 

[RichConley]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10329012#post10329012 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Fredfish
Umm... if you have 5 males they will kill each other until there is one left. They do not change sex, so you need to start out with males and females.

Sexing bangais is difficult at best. nobody can do it with any certainty. The best way is to put a group together and look for pairing activity, separating the odd ones out before they get killed.

Fred

Even multiple pairs will kill each other off in most cases.


Are yours breeding at this point? If not, I dont think you're out of the woods yet.

 

[papagimp]

smaller juvi specimens will school together, once they get a tad more comfortable in their new surroundings and/or start pairing off, then I'd expect more squabbles. Males will usually fight one another, females can fight one another but not always, and just having a male/female isn't always going to give you a pair, they can be incompatible pairs where a male or female just doesn't like the potential mate. In the wild, they have sufficient room to congregate in large numbers but when pairing off, they will move out and claim their territory for the duration of the pairing and return to the herd afterwards. Going to be hard to supply enough room in a home aquarium to duplicate this behavoir. They often will loose that nocturnal behavoir for a life in the daytime once fully acclimated to their home. They can have too much flow, but doubt that's the case, I've got mine in a 55 with close to 2000gph. They'll find a spot that's comfortable for them to hover.

FYI nasek718, the jawline being bigger in males is a muscular thing, not skeletal. The male will choose to puff out his jaw, weather to attract members of the opposite sex or while breeding. Most the rest of the time, you'll hardly notice a difference in the jawlines between females and males. Same with finnage, never 100% accurate to go by that. All my females have wound up with taller dorsals despite all the people who have tried to convince me that males get the taller fins.

Would also like to add that wild caught specimens as with many species just don't fair as well as captive bred and raised specimens, assuming yours were wild caught, the one stuck to the power head just could have been a weak link in the group. It's not uncommon for the weaker un-dominate specimens to hide and cower in the corners and eventuall stress themselves to death.

 

[ralphie16]

papagimpy,

would acquiring 2 captive grown specimens for a 125 work out or would the 2 more then likely fight?

 

[papagimp]

Would be a chance ralphie, they may pair up they may not, all depends if they are male/female and compatible. I hear more often than not, recomendation to purchase several small juvi's and simply wait until they two form a pair. I was extremely lucky when I "impulsed purchased" two from a LFS and a few days later they spawned. I never had to go through the hassle of figuring out which were males/females and whanot, and the two babies I've raised and decided to keep seem to be a pair (about 5-6 months old now) but since they are so young there is always the chance they'll wind up being same sex's as well. Bangaii's tend to have a 1:1 male/female ration so out of any particular clutch of bangaii's you have a good shot at aquiring a pair

 

[nasek718]

FYI nasek718, the jawline being bigger in males is a muscular thing, not skeletal.
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Sort of what I said. It's not that important rather it's muscular, or skeletal as it is a male trait.....which I believe was the point I was making. Which is also why I mentioned it being one of the only ways to differentiate between the two. But thanks for backing up my statement.

 

[papagimp]

Nasek, I know exactly what you were saying, just thought it was pertinent to let everyone know that just because a bangaii does not have a squared off jawline, does not indicate that it's not a male. It took me some time to learn which fish was wich in my system cause when the male released his current batch, his jawline shrunk down to look identical to the females. Heck, even after knowing how to spot him, he'd surprise me once in awhile and I'd get em confused. When he finally died on me, I was fortunate to spot him as the male 100% without a doubt, or it would make finding my female another mate that much more difficult. If I stare at a LFS tank long enough I can spot some males, but finding the females, I've never been able to do. I wonder how they judge what makes a female bangaii a "good looking chick" to try and pair up with.

 

[nasek718]

I wonder how they judge what makes a female bangaii a "good looking chick" to try and pair up with. [/B]

That's easy..... It's the one with the best "fin" implants.

 

[papagimp]

LOL!!!!

 

[rbursek]

I have 3 in my tank, 2 paired up and hang on the left side, the third hangs on the right side, Have 5 Hydors in my tank and no problems, it took them along time to be less timid, I feed after the MH go off, but some times when I feed the other fish with the MH on they feed too.
Bob