Sump, plumping and Pump question

[koko maung]

Hey guys,

I have 57 gallon + 24 gallon sump. I just filled up my tank yesterday. My drain line is making really lough gurgling noise and my return pump is making a lot of noise. I think water is draining a lot faster than being returned. How can I make those noise goes away? My drain pipe is 1" and my return pump line is 3/4" (I think). Here are my questions

1. Should I install control valve at draining line and reduce the water flow?
2. My water is pumping to 5" so what rate (gph) of pump that should I be looking for? any recommendation for very quite and decent price pump?
3. Should I buy fairly larger pump and install control valve to it?

Any suggestion or tips is welcome!

Thanks in advance guys!

 

[mmittlesteadt]

Do a search here for "quieting overflow", "standpipe" or "beananimal", etc. There a tons of threads on this very issue.

 

[jpa0741]

First it is impossible to drain faster then returning. No dont put valve on drain control that is asking for a flood. Yes you might need to valve your return to slow it down. Also some more info on what kind of overflow you are using can be helpful.

 

[Kyle461]

Installed the Hofer "gurgle buster" design in my overflow box. Whispers every now and then. Worked like a charm!

http://home.everestkc.net/jrobertson57268/HGB/HGB_construction.html

Maybe the return needs to be cleaned out? Not sure on that side of it buddy.

 

[koko maung]

First it is impossible to drain faster then returning. No dont put valve on drain control that is asking for a flood. Yes you might need to valve your return to slow it down. Also some more info on what kind of overflow you are using can be helpful.

I have oceanic 57g illuminata that comes with over flow. I don't have the measurement in hand right now. I will post them up when i get home. The reason I said draining is faster than returning is because water level in over flow is always below return line flow level. When I try to cover half of the pvc entrance with my hand, the noise goes away. That why I think I should get a new pump with higher gph.

Any thoughts on Eheim 1262?

 

[Cymonous]

What pump are you using now?

 

[gone fishin]

Are you using Durso overflows, if so do you have a hole drilled on the top cap of the durso?

 

[koko maung]

What pump are you using now?

I will let u know once I get home.

 

[koko maung]

Are you using Durso overflows, if so do you have a hole drilled on the top cap of the durso?

yes! I am using Durso design and i drilled a hole on top.

almost exactly like this one but mine is a bit shorter. Its sit at the middle of the overflow box.

 

[koko maung]

The drain noise is gone. There was something stuck at the air hole.

I still can't figure out what to do with return pump. I have Rio 17 HF. How can I reduce thee noise? new pump?

 

[jpa0741]

The drain noise is gone. There was something stuck at the air hole.

I still can't figure out what to do with return pump. I have Rio 17 HF. How can I reduce thee noise? new pump?

Glad you figured out the drain issues. What noise are you getting now? Just noisy pump or something else?

 

[koko maung]

Glad you figured out the drain issues. What noise are you getting now? Just noisy pump or something else?

Just the noise of pump. Is not hitting the world or anything. It's the pump. Not very lough but it's noticable. It guess the solution would be just new pump.

hoe can I reduce the noise that made by bubbles from drain line? Filter sock?

 

[billdogg]

I have my drain line (from the main tank to the sump) submerged about 2" below the water level in the sump. To allow the air to escape (that is an inherent part of a Durso style drain), install a pvc "T" fitting in the drain line just above the water level in the sump so that the "leg" of the T points out and thereby can allow the air to get out. This will also greatly reduce the bubbles in your sump area.

IMHO, it's always a good idea to put a valve on your return line from the pump back to the main tank - NEVER on the drain from the display to the sump! This will allow you to reduce the flow from the pump to make the drain essentially silent. It will not hurt the pump in any way, and in fact it will probably use less electricity!

Regardless of the brand pump you are using, it is a good idea to place it on something like a silicone mouse pad and to connect it to the rigid pvc plumbing using a short lenght of the correct size vinyl tubing. Doing those two things will pretty much eliminate noise created by vibration.

hth

 

[Zbreefer]

I have my drain line (from the main tank to the sump) submerged about 2" below the water level in the sump. To allow the air to escape (that is an inherent part of a Durso style drain), install a pvc "T" fitting in the drain line just above the water level in the sump so that the "leg" of the T points out and thereby can allow the air to get out. This will also greatly reduce the bubbles in your sump area.

IMHO, it's always a good idea to put a valve on your return line from the pump back to the main tank - NEVER on the drain from the display to the sump! This will allow you to reduce the flow from the pump to make the drain essentially silent. It will not hurt the pump in any way, and in fact it will probably use less electricity!

Regardless of the brand pump you are using, it is a good idea to place it on something like a silicone mouse pad and to connect it to the rigid pvc plumbing using a short lenght of the correct size vinyl tubing. Doing those two things will pretty much eliminate noise created by vibration.

hth

Bill is there a picture of the "T" fitting you describe posted anywhere? I believe I need this to reduce bubbles from my drain pipes.