Sun Coral in trouble...salvagable?

MatthewLaw

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Greetings ALl- My SUn coral was doing very well in my 30g tank and was even starting to spawn.

i carefully moved all the contents of the tank to my 60g tank and made sure to put the coral in after the water settled.

3 days later the coral looks horrible. it has this film around it..is it dead and I should throw it out??

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no inhabitants in the tank except a starfish that has kept away. the rock/contents are being kept fallow for another 6 weeks for ich treatment (just fallow, same SG. etc). i checked tank paramters for die off and nothing unusual is coming up.
 
Could be salvageable, if it did good in your tank before.

I would bast (or siphon way) the dead tissue, until necrosis stops (within a week). You can run more frequently changed carbon and do more water changes during this time.

One possible thing to pay attention to: alkalinity of newly prepared water, if it is above 16 dKH, better correct this before putting it in the tank. And watch for ammonia spikes, it could happen, when change tank's size up. Be sure, that it is in the flow, not too low (almost absent) and not too high (tearing tissue away).

I used Dremel once during fragging, that teared off soft tissue badly, most of it died, become grey and fell away (pale pinkish-orange sun), but it recovered very well.

I have the most troubles with your kind of sun coral, intense orange, while all others are doing quite good. But you are better with it, if it spawned already. Babies should survive almost anything. At least babies of my other - pale pink-orange, higher, more regular height coralites - sun coral did.

Good luck, I will keep my fingers crossed for it.
 
Thanks for your help! My standard tests reveal no amonia/nitrite and small nitrate. i will check alkinity.

i will also siphon away the dead tissue as recommended.

i found the hardest task with this coral was the patience needed to feed it when the 'tentacles' came out! the coral is currently near a koralia 1 so not too much flow.

do you suggest to start feeding now with mysis in hopes of bringing the salvagable tentacles out?
 
If the tentacles are not coming out, continue placing food (mysis, mysis with brine shrimp, or with Marine Cuisine, or with Ocean Plankton) onto the mouths, showering the coral by food or placing individual pieces on individual mouths (matter of accessibility and time). With flow off - to keep the food from being flown away. If tank can take it, repeated food showers every 5-10 min, after flow was turned on for some time and off again - for a feeding.

I had a hard week with black sun coral (T. diaphana), the only thing that worked for it - was 1.5 hrs of feeding this way. Every day first few days, then - every second day, until it become better.

This intense orange coral, that you have, may continue keep most of the polyps in reserved state, eating by mouths without of much tentacles, but one polyp may open at full and later grow new polyps at its base, with own common tissue (coenosarc) over yet alive neighborly polyps. Lighter color, though.

On a bright side - IMHE of course - any other sun coral or their relative is much easier ;)
 
i think i have lost most of the mouths. BUT there are a lot of yellow 'spawns?' on the live rock around. so i am hopeful...

i will continue the feeding method you suggested!1 thanks for your help!

not to give up, but what other sun corals are easier to deal with under the non-photosynthetic category?
 
My sun coral spawns (pale rink-orange, possibly T. faulknery) survived being in the unfed sump or tanks for a months, in QT with medications (antibacterial and antiparasitic), just stopped to grow until conditions improved.

Sun corals and their non-photosynthetic relatives:

Common are (ID is questionable, but likely):
Pale pinkish-orange Tubastrea faulknery:
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Bright orange T. coccinea:
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Pure cold yellow T. aurea (higher flow and whole organisms - like mysis, not chopped sea food - at beginning):
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and

Black sun coral, compact growth, T. diaphana (if starved, could be slow opening at first, greedy eater later):
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This and lemon-yellow one could be on the same rock with orange sun corals, for one price, or a single polyp on a rock with scleronephthya.

Less common:

Black sun coral, Y-shaped branches, arboreal growth, T. micratha. Photo is here. Coarse for a small tank, impressive in the large.
This one:
- Considered rare seen in trade, but it largely depends of LFS (some have them time from time, some haven't them).
- Usually described as living only in very high flow, like for dendronephthya - and they grow sometimes together in the wild - but in my tank it is together with other suns, under Micro-Jet powerhead without troubles.
- Again, frequently described as very sensitive, but when I used bad batch of salt after fragging (alkalinity 17 dKH, finest cloudiness), it ignored all this, when durable T. diaphana (other black sun) started to strip tissue on main colony (but recovered later).
- You can see how it recovered from almost as bad situation as your is here and here.

Not Tubastreas, but same family and same care:

Very questionable ID, could be Dendrophyllia gracilis:
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If bought healthy and continue to be fed - as any other sun coral.

Same with Cladopsammia gracilis, miniature polyps, low growing bush shape:
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Recovers well even if bought half dead.

The closest I could find was Dendrophyllia cornigera, yellow branching (it was donated also half dead, now recovers - even chopped on halves single polyp):
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All together, after having hard time when access to the tank and observations was blocked:
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All of them had price, similar to usual sun corals, and are not open all day long.
More about Tubastrea color varieties in this thread.

But there is a very common, but 4x more expensive firecracker dendrophyllia: much large - and only several for $150 - polyps, open all day long. Could be Dendrophyllia fistula. Most say that it is durable and reliable.

HTH
 
:wavehand:
If you can - and when you can - post about your experiences and information you gathered. It can help many of us too.
Best wishes!
 
yea, I think he means to just keep us updated so that we can all learn from your experience with this problem.
 
Ok.

At this point I think the coral itself is dead. BUT with the flow from the powerheads, I think some of the remaining 'living' parts have seeded on the live rock. I have about dozen+ orange spots on my LR and am feeding them with pieces of mysis, in hopes of creating a nutrient stream. the yellow dots seem to be getting larger and i can spot mini-'tentacles'.

i will try and get pictures in a few days!
 
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