T5 lighting for Anemones?

IME limited experience, T5 is a pain with some anemone species, gigantea, magnifica and E. quads to start. It was not a lack of PAR, it was a the linear coverage allowing the anemones to wander vs. staying under a point source of proper intensity.

I have both lighting systems, but my mobile species get MH to help keep them in place.

I'm curious as to if there were perhaps any other reasons why you had so many nems move about with your T5's? Was it the same tank and just different lights, or different setups in different locals? I kept E. quads for a number of years under 4x39W T5 and never had any difficulty with them moving. I found by providing not only the quality lighting, but flow quality and suitable hole or crevice to shade the foot kept them stationary at all times. (assuming other water quality stayed stable, fluctuations have caused movement)

Without adding more fuel to the MH/T5 debate that can be discussed for days with no clear resolve (let's face it, there's a LOT of variables, and it's really comparing apples to oranges for which one is "better"), Happy Gilmore once said...."Gold jacket, Green jacket, who gives a ____, it's just a jacket"

YES, T5 can support and keep every imaginable photosynthetic creature alive the same as MH can. MH is much more point-source while T5 is more spread out. So we can't compare watts, lumens, or par on an equal playing field because they are so different. Agree that each has benefits and drawbacks, and to each their own.
 
IME with my RBTA, they move when there is no food to find on that location. Also they are on an island so that movement will be minimal...
 
yes they will thrive under decent t5's. my rbta stays at the bottom while my gbta stays towards the top, flow is also a factor i have also kept a carpet under t5's { till i started loving fish too it }
 
ive had one for about a year now and it split a couple months ago since i upgraded to the 6 bulb tek light. id say they can be kept just fine under t5 lighting.
 
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this is it in my 55..
 
Hallo from the UK
Recently got a magnificent RBTA clone from a chap with 2 x 150 watt and the nems where usually parked on the back wall under the lights.
My tank 3x2x2 has a sunpower 6 x39w and it settled as far down under corals as it could get. Its huge when it's out and eat like a horse.
A severely bleached GBTA also coming from a MH tank, has done exactly the same and still shrinks when the lights come on, as the day go on, it will expand a bit more at a time.

Yip, I also keep my Magnifica in the same tank, again, it was bleached and now the foot is a beautifull purple/blue.

Hmmm... saying that, the tank get's about 1 hour of full on natural sunlight.. whenever the UK see the sun!:furious:
 
I know I may be dating myself here, but you guys do realize that there was a time when people were successfully keeping BTAs, sebae and haddoni anemones very successfully under normal output fluorescent tubes right!

With modern technology there is no reason to do that anymore and keeping H. magnifica and S. gigantea likely still require MH lights, but at least 4 T5's over a tank of less than 24" tall is likely enough for any of the other host anemones.

Grandpa Phil
 
phender - while I was definitely not around in the hobby years ago, I wonder if as many people had success as they are today. Sure, they did it, but everything else likely had to be spot on for it to work (water chemistry, flow, receiving a healthy specimen). I wouldn't recommend NO lights on any nem these days. The success rate has gone up with better lights and understanding - therefore that's why some argue that "MH are a necessity". I think many suggest high output lighting as a way to better the odds so fluctuations in other areas of the tank aren't the straw that broke the camels back.

Keeping anemones under NO does go to show how hardy and resilient a healthy anemone can be though!
 
I know I may be dating myself here, but you guys do realize that there was a time when people were successfully keeping BTAs, sebae and haddoni anemones very successfully under normal output fluorescent tubes right!

With modern technology there is no reason to do that anymore and keeping H. magnifica and S. gigantea likely still require MH lights, but at least 4 T5's over a tank of less than 24" tall is likely enough for any of the other host anemones.

Grandpa Phil

It's all good, Phil. I did the same before I had much access to other technologies (and halides weren't an option). I know I haven't been on RC for a while, but I haven't seen you around much. In any case, I completely agree with the above.
 
phender - while I was definitely not around in the hobby years ago, I wonder if as many people had success as they are today. Sure, they did it, but everything else likely had to be spot on for it to work (water chemistry, flow, receiving a healthy specimen). I wouldn't recommend NO lights on any nem these days. The success rate has gone up with better lights and understanding - therefore that's why some argue that "MH are a necessity". I think many suggest high output lighting as a way to better the odds so fluctuations in other areas of the tank aren't the straw that broke the camels back.

Keeping anemones under NO does go to show how hardy and resilient a healthy anemone can be though!

I wasn't recommending NO light now that we have better stuff. But, if you used 4 NO tubes over your tank and the tank was 18" tall or less, it was pretty easy to keep BTA's, sebaes, and haddonis as long as they were of good health when you received them. These were also the days when most people were still using air pump driven protein skimmers. There were not many people using 4 tubes over their tanks in those days. Why? Because the internet was just starting, there was no world wide web and the books on keeping anemones were just plain wrong in most cases. Most people just didn't know you needed at least 4 tubes over your tank and manufacturers weren't making 4 bulb fixtures. People who knew could keep the easy anemones just fine.

I went to better lights because I wanted to keep anemones and corals that required more light than the NO tubes could supply, not because I was having trouble keeping the above mentioned anemones. I actually liked the way my BTAs looked under NO tubes because they kept their bubble tips. I had one sebae for over 20 years. It died after I upgraded my lighting (its death had nothing to do with the lighting). I had a large haddoni for 10 years under NO's before I gave it away.

IME, I don't think better lighting has made it "easier" to keep BTAs, sebaes or haddonis. I do think it has allowed people to keep them in larger and deeper tanks and I know that it has allowed people to be more successful with H. magnifica, S. gigantea and LTAs.

I am not saying that anyone should keep their anemones under NO fluorescents. I am just saying that it was done by a lot of people before there were any super skimmers or state of the art salt mixes and additives, etc. Having metal halides will not help you keep easy anemones unless you plan to keep them on the bottom of a deep tank. 99% of the anemones that die and are reported to be in bad shape on this board, and in general, has nothing to do with improper lighting. Most die from improper handling resulting in bacterial infections and such. Anemones that die from improper lighting take months to die. They slowly get smaller, eventually lose the ability to sting and then, if they don't get an infection first, after a few months, they die.

In a nutshell, I don't think having MH lights will better your odds in most cases, especially in the first few weeks. The things that were important then are the same as they are now.
1) Know how to pick a healthy anemone.
2) Know how to acclimate your anemone.
3) Know the care requirements of that species of anemone. (Not all of them require or even prefer high light and high flow)
4) Don't screw with your conditions once your anemone is doing well, even if you think you are making an improvement.

While writing this I just realize that I may have to go back to shoplights with NO tubes over my BTA/haddoni tanks because the CF tubes that I am currently using seem to becoming obsolete and I'm not sure I want to throw down $300 on a T5 fixture when I don't need it.
 
I do agree with BonsaiNut on the fact that you can squeeze a hell of a lot more light in a smaller area then you could T5. There is also a lot more light coming from a point source with MH versus T5. All of that is objective.

On the subjective side, lets just invite The Grim Reefer on over. He's the mastermind behind the entire T5 thread that's like 10,000,000 pages long. :lol:

In my personal experience, I've kept many anemones under T5. Like Traveller7 noted, some of the more mobile species such as (E. Quadricolor and H. Magnifica) might tend to wander in a T5 setup. Sure there are receiving plenty of light but especially H. Magnifica tends to wander despite how much light there is because it's "thinking" let me find an even brighter spot. Obviously in T5 tank it's a linear coverage so there really is no "brighter" spot. With MH, there definitely is and that's why one could argue MH is more suitable for species like H. Magnifica.
 
Phil - I definitely agree with you. I was actually attempting to poke you a bit for you to post something just like that. :rollface: Why provoke you? More information is always better, and if a newbie read your first post, they might jump to the conclusion that NO lights are just fine, forgetting about the rest of the big picture. You summed it up beautifully. Thank you for sharing your years of experience and vast knowledge with us!
 
For the OP. Although I dont have the same anemone you mentioned but I do have 5 rbta's under six T5HO on a 75 gallon tank.

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Hope this helps.

A little OT, but I love the coloring of that picture. I only have 4 T5 bulbs (with individual reflectors). I wonder what 3 Blue+ and 1 Fiji would look like compared to your 5+1.

Back on topic, I think that if you use reflectors and good ballasts, then T5s are strong enough for most things (IMHO). The Icecap "VHO" are even stronger. Some of the basic T5 setups might be okay for BTAs, but I am not sure about others.
 
I am keeping both a sebae and an rbta in my 6x36" in T5HO fixture using geismann bulbs.

The sebae I just got about a month ago now, was a small, white bleached out with purple tips you see all the time coming in from the exporters that don't normally make it. I put it on a rock in the top half of the tank and my smallest clownfish has been using it as a host at night, and the sebae has been looking better and better every week. It now has the grown coming back into some of it's tentacles in a three different areas of the nem and it has spread itsself out more.

I have seen many people keep anemones successfully under the t5 lighting. Even many BTA's do well under PC lights.
 
ive got 2 BTA's in a 46 and completely agree with phil ive just got them under 2 T8's that are both daylight bulbs, nothing special just regular bulbs, one is about 12-14" across and 4-6" tall and the other is just a baby i got a couple weeks ago and is doing great!
 
ive got 2 BTA's in a 46 and completely agree with phil ive just got them under 2 T8's that are both daylight bulbs, nothing special just regular bulbs, one is about 12-14" across and 4-6" tall and the other is just a baby i got a couple weeks ago and is doing great!

Well...

BTA's have the lowest light requirements of all clown anemones. Additionally, your anemones are hugging the surface for light. I think there is a big difference between surviving and thriving with these creatures, but whatever. There will always be someone who says "I know what science says, but I disagree based on casual observation".
 
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