Tail Spot Blenny - Questions

Just got my little guy yesterday. He stayed in a corner of the tank for a little while, then started to explore the rockwork. Shortly he was feeding - banging his face into the rock. He seems to have found a couple of holes in the rocks that he likes to hang out in. Cute little guy.
 
Where did you get yours, Danch?

I found that mine will eat almost anything that he finds to be an acceptable size. Nori and spinach are a staple, but he likes the "Emerald Entree" and also likes bananas. I froze a small piece of banana and used a hand grater to grate off fine bits (which went into a bag in the freezer for later feeding). He gave it the hairy eyeball until he figured out nothing else was coming, and darted out and took a piece. Rolled it around in his mouth - popped it in and out a few times, swallowed it, went to his rock to think about it for a minute, then darted out and cleaned the rest up. I'll add it once or twice a week as a treat.

He also seems to enjoy "people/animal watching". If someone or one of the animals walks past his tank, he will follow them across the tank and try to get into a position to see where we go and what we do. I feel like I'm the one behind glass, lol ;)
I'm glad he doesn't tap the glass...
 
Got it from LiveAquaria, but the poor little guy died last night. I feel really bad about this - he seemed OK the first night, but didn't make it 36 hours in my care. I'd like to tell you all what happened to see if any of you can suggest anything I can do differently next time. Thanks in advance.

Things didn't go to plan from the get-go - Last week, my QT was 0 nitrite, so I ordered this week. I then did a water change in QT, with a side effect of stirring things up. Nitrite hit 2ppm, so I put the little guy straight into the display tank. This is one thing I will do differently next time - I'll make absolutely sure my QT is ready before I order.

I kept one of my powerheads off to give him a little calmer environment to find his way. That first day, he seemed so happy under the actinics, bopping around the rockwork and finding hidey holes, so yesterday I want back to 'normal' - 4.5 hours of daylights and 9 of actinics, 2 Seio 1100s plus my returns. He still seemed OK, he was swimming around more behind the rocks, but I figured he was just finding new places in the new flow. Maybe he was 'breathing' a little fast, but I thought I was just being paranoid.

Yesterday evening I wanted to see if I could interest him in some frozen formula 2, so I cut the pumps and put a pinch off the thawed cube in some tank water and basted some down in front of where he lay on the sand. I was a little disturbed that he was sitting on the sand, but I started to worry when he didn't move at all. I gave him some time, but when I came back he had moved a few inches away from the food, and the hermits were going after the food. I turned the pumps back on at that point. Next time I looked (a few minutes later) he was out in front, but seemed to be having trouble swimming - he was listing over to his side, and got caught in a vortex. I cut the pump so he could get away. He went by a rock and fell onto his side. I looked a few minutes later, and a hermit had him - he was gone.

Ammonia was 0, nitrite was 0, nitrate was 20. I'm working on bringing nitrate down, but I don't believe that would effect a fish.

I'm wondering if it would have been better to either introduce him to the tank with full flow, or keep the flow gentle for more like a week. I'm wondering if the changes - from LA holding, to shipping, to my tank, to full flow, to cutting my powerheads to feed - were just too much stress for the guy. Next time, the fish will go into a low-flow QT for 4 to 6 weeks, then into the display - should I make the introduction to the flow gradual, as I tried to do this time, or should I let him get used to the full flow once rather than having to adjust multiple times.

Sorry for writing the book, but I hate the thought of this little guy plucked from his happy home on the reef, just to die in my tank. Any insight you all may have to help me avoid this in the future is greatly appreciated.

thanks,
danch
 
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I'm so sorry danch. There is a guy over in the LiveAquaria thread who had one die too, recently.

My QT is actually a 10g with 15W HO and a maxijet 900. That's it. It is actually my "bug tank" for breeding out bugs to replace those that get eaten in the display, as well as a frag grow out for shrooms and the like.

Mine didn't even move for the first day, and took 3 to get him to eat.

I don't think you did anything wrong. I think you just got unlucky.
I would certainly head over to the LiveAquaria thread and report it, they will give you credit for your fish.
 
Second that. Try setting up your qt to 1.021 salinity: IME, that's where LiveAquaria sets their salinity. Then you can take him pretty well right over, [test both waters] and gradually bring him up.
 
Yeah, sorry to hear that. I hate losing fish - it always makes me want to quit. Life on the reef ain't no picnic, but at least I'm not to blame.

FWIW, I've found my tailspot does just fine with newlife spectrum Grow pellets or those for small fish (the package has a firefish on the label). The size seems to be just right for him.
 
sorry to hear about that. it could be that he/she just wasn't doing well to begin with. Talk to LiveAquaria, I believe the have a 14 day guarantee.

I never QT blennies, they seem to never carry any terrible diseases or anything. I just drip acclimate, and pop them right in.

Mine is currently not looking too good. He eats and poops a lot, but I can see "ribs". He's fat but he may be lacking something. He won't eat ANYTHING I give him, just grazes...
 
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mine was from the diver's den at live aquaria

they had a pair, one didn't make it after a few days in my tank, but the other has been around for months now.

they had them feeding on mysis and brine I believe, but I can't get the survivor to eat any. he used to try to eat some flake, but his mouth wouldn't be able to clamp on it.

liveaquaria said the brine would land on the bottom of the tank and they would eat it.

problem is I have 80x turnover on a BB tank, so nothing stops on the bottom of the tank, it's always in the water column.

I'm guessing they have a lot of problems eating from the water column, unlike a few other blennies.

I've resorted to turning off pumps and feeding, but he takes no interest in any food, just grazes rocks.

maybe I'll try enriched brine...
 
This is starting to sound like a bad trend and is sort of worrisome...

Mine actively pulls food from the water column - he rarely eats from the floor, and in fact avoids the floor most times.

LiveAquaria told me, when asked specifically about these blennys, that they were trained on spirulina enriched mysids. This is done in an effort to get them eating something after capture - though how teaching herbivores to eat meat is doing the fish a favor, I'm not sure...

I've found that anything but the smallest of morsels is too big for him, and he might try to suck it in, but quickly will spit it back out if too big. You might be offering food too big.

Remember - these blennys are considered to be vegetarians - herbivores. 75% of their diet should be vegetable or fruit based, supplemented with meaty foods. Pellets and flakes should be used sparingly, as they are the equivalent of fish fast food (with a very few exceptions, and even then fresh is far superior).

It is possible that your fish is thin, even though he is eating, Kinetic, because in fact, he is slowly staving through malnutrition...
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10395031#post10395031 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Insane Reefer


Remember - these blennys are considered to be vegetarians - herbivores. 75% of their diet should be vegetable or fruit based,

fruits? what are you talking about?

anyways, mine eats cyclopeeze all the time. the frozen variety. perfect size and sits in water column for the longest time.
 
have you tried live brine? great at getting a feeding response out of them and will at least keep it from starving until it is eating...some fish you have to be really dedicated to get eating
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10396094#post10396094 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by honda2sk
fruits? what are you talking about?

Since I don't want this to turn into a great debate, I will post a quoted article that another member posted a couple of years ago.
It talks about HLLE, but HLLE has been found to be a nutrition based illness, and the info contained is good to have. Much research has since been done on the matter, and fruits are an acceptable food and are often even more nutritious then vegetables.

Since most of our fish live in tropical climes, climes where fruit grows plentifully, do you think that some of it wouldn't end up in the ocean and be eaten by the first things that find it, including fish?

My blenny has been offered banana, and refused at first because the pieces were too large, so based on another article I read, I froze a piece and used the fine side of a hand grater - Bogo readily eats it. I only offer this as a once or twice a week thing, but there seems to be no trouble from feeding it.

Remember, in the wild most fish can graze at will on what they need and want - often having acre large territories to supply their feeding needs. Do you think any of us can provide a 100% diet of what each fish we have would eat in the wild? We can't. Even the big Aquariums admit they can't, so they find ways to supplement with terrestrial foods. Studies show that most wild animals (not just fish) that are kept in captivity end up dying of complications due to malnutrition.

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=769852#post769852 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Gary Majchrzak
Steve Colllins, curator of the Indianapolis Zoo-Aquarium in a 1995 issue of 'SeaScope' published results on their findings regarding HLLE and broccoli.

"The occurrence of head and lateral line erosion {HLLE} is a common problem with certain reef fish, particularly tangs and surgeonfish.We experienced an epidemic among our blue tangs {A.coeruleus} population six years ago in our 25,000 gallon reef exhibit here at the Indianapolis Zoo- Aquarium. Other surgeonfish were affected, but angelfish in the exhibit were not.
Water quality was dismissed as a likely cause of the problem." {Goes into a lengthy digression of excellent water quality params and filtration of the 25,000 gallon system.}
Continuing, "In reviewing other possible causes for this malady we next focused on possible dietary deficiancies,because no obvious pathogens were found.Our fish were receiving a varied diet including romaine lettuce and spinach.Initially,we tried elevating the level of vitamin C by incorporating a supplement into a gelatin based food, but this had no effect. We next considered supplementing the level of vitamin A. According to the 'Applied Nutrition and Diet Therapy',page 825, 'One of the most important functions of vitamin A is to maintain the integrity of the epithelial cells...As a result,surfaces of the skin and membranes lining all passages that open to the exterior of the body, as well as glands and ducts are susceptible to disease'.
This was the basis for trying increased amounts of vitamin A after the vitamin C supplement by itself failed to produce results.It was our feeling that the lining of the lateral line ducts had deteriorated.
We were concerned with possible toxicity of high vitamin A levels that has been reported for certain animals. Upon reviewing the nutritional value of different types of lettuce,we found them to be very low in nutrients and began researching the nutritional value of other green vegetables.
Spinach appeared to be higher than lettuce,but it does not hold up well in seawater.Carrots were found to be a good natural food,but they had to be shredded,and were quite messy to feed.
Still, we fed carrots solely for six to eight weeks and observed a resolution of the HLLE. A more complete literature review made broccoli an obvious choice. It is well balanced in many vitamins in addition to the high level of vitamin A, and also has other features that make it acceptable. It holds up very well in the aquarium.Many fish like the flowerettes when they are first added.Only the larger fish could break open the woody layer on the stalks, but once opened small fish feed on the softer pulp material.
We replaced the carrots with broccoli,and we are currently using it in a well-balanced maintenance diet.
After replacing the lettuce diet with first carrots and then fresh broccoli,the HLLE improved to the extent that only a few scars remained on the most severely affected fish.After nearly eight years in the exhibit,most of the original batch of blue tangs are still alive.Broccoli,supplemented with peas and other prepared foods,dominates the diet. No HLLE symptoms are evident in any of the fish in the exhibit."

anyways, mine eats cyclopeeze all the time

Would you only feed your dog salad? Or your rabbit a hamburger everyday? You are doing your fish a great disservice by limiting its food to meat.
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10397812#post10397812 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Insane Reefer
Since I don't want this to turn into a great debate,

relax i wasnt debating, i asked what you were talking about to get more info.

i suggested cylopeeze to the poster that was worried he would starve because he was not eating anything. its loaded with hufas and vitamins and at this point i would think it would be a great idea for him to feed it to get any nutrients to him.
 
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Oh! I'm sorry if that sounded snippy - I just feel strongly about nutrition :)
I honestly wasn't sure how to take your post, so I tried to go the even road. I had started this thread about bananas, and got some flack from another member, so wasn't sure, lol.
http://reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=1164711

I agree - eating something is important. LiveAquaria, when asked, said these blennies are trained to spirulina enriched mysids, the algae in the mysids will help some with malnutrition, but at some point the fish needs to be returned to a more natural diet. I think the only reason these fish won't eat appropriate foods is because the foods offered are too big to even be interesting. The blend I've made has the veggy/nori matter broken down to the size of large glitter flakes. About a 1/4 the size of a typical food flake.

I really, really think that if a tail spot isn't eating what it should, it is because what is being offered is too big...
 
hence the cyclopeeze

even my spike fin goby (less then 1/2" length) is able to eat them

which reminds me of another thread the a poster named PAULB wrote recently about feeding newly hatched brine shrimp. they are perfect sized as well and have good nutrition.

bananas are fine to feed but only sometimes i feel. i feed my moorish idol pair squished up bananas once every two weeks and they dig it.
 
honda2sk, I think he is also mentioning that cyclopeeze doesn't have the herbivorous diet in it. isn't cyclopeeze just a kind of shrimp or something? I think he's also saying it needs some greens / fruits as well possibly.
 
That is exactly what She is saying ;) , and no possibly about it - Cyclopeese is a meat based food, not green based like herbivores need. Up to 25% of an herbivores diet can be meaty foods, but the other 75% needs to be veggy based if you want long term health.

That it is eating, but still loosing weight should indicate that something is wrong with its diet.

It is food. It will keep him from starving in the short term. But this diet will kill him sooner or later as he isn't really meant to survive on Cyclops, but on algae and kelp's supplemented by meat/protein.
 
My lfs reports cure of hlle in a purple tang by soaking formula 2 in Zoe.

Actually, if you just buy a bit of algae'd rock from your lfs you can sustain him through the 'small' fry stage. Mine, in his second week in my tank, being quite small, is beginning to play catch with fine formula one pellet. I intend to try some formula 2. But he is spending his time sucking rocks, which is what he's supposed to do.
 
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