Tail Spot Blenny - Questions

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10398541#post10398541 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Sk8r
My lfs reports cure of hlle in a purple tang by soaking formula 2 in Zoe.

Selcon works too, from what I've read. The problem with additives like this is that they aren't very precise, if you get my drift? Several minerals and vitamins in these blends can be toxic. Either through over-dosing or possibly by too strong a concentration for a particular fish. That is why many hobbyists try to go a more natural approach, by offering a variety of nutritious foods so the fish may pick and choose based on its personal cravings that day, and not an arbitrary dosing that may do good, or may do bad, or more likely, a little of both.

I agree that adding a rock with algae is a good idea.
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10391727#post10391727 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Insane Reefer

Mine didn't even move for the first day, and took 3 to get him to eat.

I don't think you did anything wrong. I think you just got unlucky.
I would certainly head over to the LiveAquaria thread and report it, they will give you credit for your fish.

I called them right away. Their thought on the death was that it was acclimation/stress related as well. I'd be less distressed if he hadn't seemed so 'happy' right off the bat.

Thanks everyone for your reassurances and support. Sorry to jack the thread with such a downer.
 
I asked for information on these fish - sometimes info isn't happy.
I'm keeping an eagle-eye on Bogo, with all the problems others have had, I hope I can avoid them and keep him healthy and as "happy" as he can be as a captive fish, for the duration of his life.

Death is an unfortunate side effect of life.
All we can do is live and learn...

LiveAquaria did honor their guarantee, right? Took care of you?
 
Feeding success with Formula 2 frozen Spirulina cubes.

LiveAquaria is shipping them younger than previously, by my experience. An adult eats all sorts of things and eats until his belly is huge. These little ones they're shipping are more fragile, and need their algae. If you can't get an algaed rock for them, put in a piece of raw white dead coral: it will algae-up in short order, or try the Formula 2, which mine took a day learning, and then began to nosh down bravely in the face of shrimp and crabs and the best efforts of the chromis to eat it all.

It might be a bennie, too, to soak a Formula 2 cube in Selcon or Zoe to get these little guys built up. WOuldn't hurt any of the other eaters, either.
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10402874#post10402874 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Insane Reefer


LiveAquaria did honor their guarantee, right? Took care of you?

Yeah, that's no issue - their service was excellent as usual.

A LFS just happened to get one in stock as well. I asked what they were feeding it and watched it play with spirulina flake until the chunks were small enough to eat, and I did see it eat a smaller flake. He's apparently eating whatever will fit in his mouth.

They suggested I give him a few more days to increase the chances that he'll make it. I put down the deposit to hold him <crosses fingers/>

Both my QT and my display have plenty of algae on the live rock (I seeded the QT with rock, including a couple of partially cured pieces). No lack of browsing opportunities.
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10357169#post10357169 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Hypsoblennius
Mr. Michaels mentions that tailspots, like midas blennies, spend a lot of time feeding on zooplankton

I'd be careful to classify these blennies as herbivores simply because of Scott Michael's and other's observations of this species compared to others of the genus spending much more time feeding on zooplankton in the wild. In my opinion, this could lead to folks in the hobby thinking that supplemental feeding of meaty foods to be unnecessary when in fact it could be that this species requires a more balanced diet than suggested above. I have looked and have been unable to find any data reflecting percent of diet for them (greens vs. meat). Just because a retailer (web or otherwise) classifies them as herbivores doesn't mean that we should take heed on that. Not providing supplemental feeding of some meaty foods could (I stress could, not would, as I have no proof) cause malnutrition as well just as if only meaty foods were supplied. This species is probably opportunistic, so to be safe, I'd make sure that mine had a varied diet if I owned one, including both greens and meats that reflect as close as possible what we think they'd find in the wild.

I don't disagree with any of the points made above, but by classifying them as herbivores or applying a percent of greens to their diet is an assumption when others have observed different behavior in the wild. My suggestion to be careful here is only to make sure that the fishes needs aren't neglected because a retailer labels a fish a certain way, that these aren't treated like other blennies that feed only on greens in this genus or others (like LMB's).

If your tailspot lives in a community type reef tank where many types of food are offered, then I think that you can leave it up to your animal to find what it needs and not worry about it. If your fish is the feature fish in your tank, then you may want to make sure to offer a varied diet including a good supply of veggies.

I have no proof or data to back this up, only going on what I've read about them or from those that I know have had them, so please take this for what it's worth, a suggestion. If you have an established tank with lot's of pods and such, it's quite possible that by making sure that your tailspot get's enough veggies in it's diet that the meaty needs of it's diet may happen without your supplementation. They may actually feed in your tank equally on meats and veggies regardless of what you add to the tank. Your observations on your tailspot's health and behavior, and what your tank has to offer your fish are far more important barometers of success here than what anyone observes in the wild, what store's tell you, or any book will tell you.

So my point basically is that I think that it's best to observe them and offer them what seems to be missing from your tank (nutritionally) knowing that they have a more varied diet thank known herbivores in that genus in the wild.

Nice pics IR, I've enjoyed them very much! Keep them coming. Sorry for your loss danch...
 
my blenny is definitely lacking some kind of nutrient, and i believe it's because he's ONLY grazing algae.

He basically needs some other kind of food, either it be...
1. Different algae that I haven't provided
2. Meaty foods

I'm going to try rubber banding nori to a rock and see if he'll go for it.
 
Cool Kevin - thanks for the thoughts!
How I've been handling it is 2 feedings of veggies and one feeding of meat each day.
He is now eating the sheet nori from a clip, so I keep a piece in there at all times for his munching pleasure.

He is one uptight little dude though. If anything occurs in his tank that he doesn't approve of (which so far is anything other then dropping food in), he goes off to a "corner", bobs his fore-end up and down and "sulks" - sometimes for hours.
I dread the first tank cleaning...
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10419055#post10419055 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Insane Reefer
How I've been handling it is 2 feedings of veggies and one feeding of meat each day.

I think that's exactly what I'd do as well.

I can't get over how cool your fish looks! I know that the following statement has no scientific merit whatsoever...but...

...he look so smart!!!!!!!!!

Kinetic, I think that based on what others have tried above, particularly with IR's success thus far, the size of the offering is more important than what it is. If it's prepared or frozen food offered, maybe blending, smashing, pulverizing, or whatever you do to reduce the size would help.

I wonder how live artemia larvae would do? I wonder as well if zooplankton type foods (frozen, freeze dried, or other) would work too.

These guys are known to feed on detritus. If you have a sand bed, perhaps stirring a little bit up would do some good, maybe exposing some microfauna as well (assuming that doesn't pose other problems for you). Or, maybe taking a powerhead once in awhile and using it to supply current through your live rock and/or corals to free up some detritus and other potential foods that the blenny can't reach.

Another idea for algae, if you have another tank and are cleaning the glass and can trap some of that algae, perhaps you could offer that as food to your blenny too.
 
I'm afraid my little guy has given up eating out of the water column =/

I used to think they were unable to eat out of the water column, but now I think it was just food size.

He tried to eat flakes, but he'd miss it, like it swoop out of the way before he could grab it.

and mine isn't timid at all. he's not afraid of anything. in fact I believe he considered grazing off my finger when I was moving frags around. cool little dude who's always in plain view or poking out between my frags in my frag tank =)
 
What I've done is used my blender to finely grind the food stuffs.
At this point, my "Bogo Food Supreme" contains sheet algae (nori, red and brown), spinach (frozen), turnip greens (frozen), carrots (frozen), peas (dried-split), the little flowers off of broccoli (frozen), and banana (frozen).

First I break the sheet algae into pieces - about an inch in size, and throw those in the blender. Using pulse, I get it down to around typical flake size. Put it aside. Do the same for the dried peas (frozen peas have a nasty floating husk). Once the peas are chipped down to an appropriate size, soak them for a while in very hot RO while you deal with the rest.
Leave the frozen stuff frozen until you are ready to process that part - it helps. For the spinach, I used a heavy knife to cut off an ice cube size piece.
Using the Ice Crushing setting on my blender, I then chop up the carrots and other frozen stuff, each separately to make sure each is an appropriate size (and frozen stuff is a pain to blender).

Once everything is prepared, I use a fork and a old margarine tub - adding just enough RO to moisten but not drench the mix, and I mix it together really well. Mash it down lightly with a fork to create a flat "plate", put the lid on it and put it in the freezer.
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Once hardened (overnight for me), break it into chunks (I fold the plate into a couple of layers of paper towel and bang on it with my meat mallet) and again using the blender Ice setting, turn this into a fine sized frozen flake.
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Finally I bag it for use. Some will have defrosted a bit, so you may find that when it refreezes it is a bit lumpy - just slap the bag against a wall or counter and those should loosen back up.
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I am awaiting a dry goods order, which will have Vita-Chem in it - when I have that, I will add some of that to the food as I prep it with the RO. Probably about half of what is recommended, since I think vitamins can do as much harm as good. I am also planning on adding guava to the mix next time around - that is some really nutritious fruit!

But this is my "Bogo Food Supreme". I simply run my finger around in the bag until enough to feed has stuck, then swirl my finger in the water until it is all in the tank. I don't have to try to break up over-sized cubes or anything - no fuss, no muss.

And Bogo loves it.
 
I'm wondering Kinetic, if your flow isn't too much for the little guy?
Mine has no problem feeding from the column - in fact, he doesn't go to the bottom of the tank at all - he stays on the rock-work and darts out for his food.

This is fascinating. All of our fish came from the same place at the same time, Cebu, Philippines. And we all have gotten them this month. This makes it likely that all of our fish are related to each other, yet the differences in personality are wild.

Mine hates anything out of place in his tank - when I added the clear plastic veggie clip, he pouted in his corner for most of the day. When I put my hand in to retrieve the clip or to remove leftovers that have gotten loose, he pouts for several hours, yet Kinetics' is almost ready to eat from his hand. Mine is fascinated with watching stuff outside his tank, and nothing outside, even the dogs and cats rough-housing right in front of his tank, bothers him in the least - in fact, if he can't see what is going on very well, he will move to a better viewing location, lol.

When I first got my 'Cube, I had wondered about what fish to purchase. Kevin (Hypsoblennius) suggested this fish at that time, as I thought I might want a blenny as my one fish. I had waited and waited for either my LFS to find one or for LiveAquaria to get them in and me actually get one ordered. I am SO glad I took your advice Kevin - this little guy is so cool and fun, I don't think I will even consider another fish (for this tank)...
 
I got mine earlier this year, I think in February or March maybe, I forget.

The flow may be too much, I'm running about 75x turnover, and he definitely hangs out under the frag rack where there is less flow. He never goes into the area with high flow, I'm pretty sure it may shoot him out of the tank =) But when I feed I turn all but one small pump off. I think he just can't eat the darned flakes because they're too... well, flakey.
 
Ah - my mistake on the time frame for your guy - but still it is likely that they all are related - from what I can gather these blennys are only found in that one locale...
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10419695#post10419695 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Insane Reefer
I am SO glad I took your advice Kevin - this little guy is so cool and fun, I don't think I will even consider another fish (for this tank)...

Bogo is in good hands! I'm very happy that he's working out so well for you and, more importantly, that you've fallen for blennies. Now I'm not the only blenny nut out there, LOL. Actually, back when I first had them, you couldn't find blennies hardly at all. Every now and then one would show up in an LFS.

My first blenny died, unfortunately, because back then materials just weren't available about husbandry of most of these guys. My first one was from the Mediterranean Sea and was a cold water fish. I didn't know this at the time (found out many years later) and he simply wasn't compatible with the warm reef environment.

My next one was a Molly Miller (formerly known as Blennius cristata, now correctly named Scartella cristata). This blenny grows rather large, about 5" long, and is quite aggressive (picks on fish holding similar niche but otherwise is a good fish) and is an omnivore. Current literature available to aquarists sometimes label it a herbivore, but in my experience it NEVER ate algae (micro or macro) for the 4 years that he survived in my tank. He scarfed up any meaty meal that I could provide.

After my tank crashed (the cause of his death), I caught a blenny from the Chesapeake Bay, a critter known as the feather blenny (Hypsoblennius hentzi, hence - no pun intended - my user name). This guy too was a meat eater. Both the Molly Miller and this blenny had tons, and I mean tons, of personality, so much so that more expensive fish in my tank became boring to me...with the exception of my angels, of course. Those two fish have since been my favorites, for nearly 30 years now, and my inspiration to learn as much as possible about any blenny that I come across. My "bay" blenny used to swim to the surface during feeding time and when I placed my hand in the tank would perch in my hand as I fed him by hand. Lacking a swim bladder made him probably one of the last to reach food as it floated down, but with a sympathetic blenny loving handler, he all of a sudden had the feeding advantage.

Anyway, I could go on and on but I'll spare you. That's how I became hooked on blennies. Now, IR, yer hooked too! Ain't they cute?

By the way, my blenny oyster reef tank is finally coming along. I'm in the process of building the stand, pics to come on my thread of the progress. After that, it's a little bit of plumbing, installing the circulation equipment and lighting, establishing the rock and sand bed (bio filter), then collection of the blennies. I hope to have this all done by mid September, fish and all.

Bogo Food Supreme looks pretty good to me. No MSG? Wonder how it will taste over some steamed rice and a little sushi? Oops...guess that's taboo on this site, LOL...

Now IR, you'll have to find a way to make some MMLR with built in blenny food supplementation...more oyster shell to enhance algae growth perhaps? I'm kidding, but hey, if anyone can do it you can!
 
Hypsoblennius, I'm another blenny-lover---blennies and gobies: they're the focus of my tank; but I've hesitated to get another blenny with the tailspot for fear of blenny-wars, or a conflict with the somewhat-blenny-shaped yellow watchman who dominates my tank.
Have you had experience with blenny-goby, tailspot-other-blenny interactions? I'd love to get another blenny, but what's compatible?
 
Awesome Kevin! Go Bogo, Go! :celeb3:
I shrunk those images from the original high quality 1600X1200 ones. If you would like, I'll gladly send you the original - would make a better desktop (might still want to reduce it a bit for size - if you tell me your desktop size, I can do that before I send)...
Just PM with a email addy if you do :)


As far as algae growing rocks, hmmm...
There is just something in me that rebels at making rock that will grow algae on purpose, lol
Unfortunately, hair algae isn't an issue with MMLR, or at least it hasn't been IME. Diatoms at the very beginning - first week or so in the tank. And some other type, very deep green and encrusting, rarely gains any height, even after the snails get through with a patch, you can't tell they have been there though. Have no clue what that type of algae it is, but that is what my rock typically grows.
 
I'd say that, generally, members of the same genus may not get along. However, that's not always the case. If there are enough hiding places and the tank is large enough, you may find that multiple blennies could get along. If you're keeping more than one of the same species, the larger the tank the better your chances. Competition is the driving factor, for food, hiding spaces, space, and perhaps even mates. The more similar they are, the more likely that they will spar. However, these are generalities. There are many blenny species and each may behave differently.

I've never owned a tailspot before, but I've had in the same tank, a Molly Miller and a bicolor blenny. They lived peacefully together. My theory on that was that they each had very different diets, and that they'd probably get along, and they did. Occasionally the Molly Miller would shoo the bicolor off of one of his favorite perches, but never attacked him. I had a scooter mandarin at the time and they left him alone altogether. I also had a hawkfish, and they would get into it once in awhile as well. I never had a problem with pseudochromids or gobies either.

In your case, perhaps a barnacle blenny or one from that genus would work out for you.

Unfortunately, they are relatively hard to catch in a reef, so experimentation can be either very easy if it works, or a nightmare if it doesn't. My suggestion would be to ask the question as to what specific blennies you would like to add to your tank and see if anyone has experience putting them together before trying it. This would be a good thread to start another blenny topic on rather than hijack IR's thread...
 
Agreed. Let's do that. Let's try Blenny Compatibility for a title.

And now back to IR's thread on the Tailspot Blenny, my favorite blenny in the whole universe.

BTW, I found another feeding 'hit' with my little guy---"PRime Reef." He'll stuff himself as far as he can with the little mouth he's got.

I was very worried about my little guy, because a head blew off a seaswirl, and the resultant sand-storm abraded a white spot on his head [about the size of a pinhead] and I was interested in feeding him carefully to make sure he has the wherewithal to heal, after first being introduced to a new tank and then bombed with sand grains.
Happened four days ago: today, especially after the feeding 2 days in a row of Prime reef, previously of Formula 2 cube, it's faded out nearly entirely, and he's up and snatching food from everybody. So glad to see him sassy as they're supposed to be!
 
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