Tang Compatibility!

[CHSUB]

Also if you are so concerned about the fish. I hope you don't buy any that aren't tank raised its estimated at 60 to 70 precent die before even reaching the pet store and another high precent die within first 6 months. I mean there is probably only a 2to 5 precent chance that a fish caught today will live a year let alone 5 years

I agree, and it’s time for some here to stop preaching about tangs and tank size!!! I treat my fish like they are members of my family, and yes I keep a hippo in a 5 foot tank. If anyone disagrees, that is fine, but don’t tell me that is cruel or inhumane; because ime,imo it’s not. Stop being hypocrites because if you only care about the fish and not the enjoyment you get from their incarceration you would not have a fish tank. Even your best intention still leads to this…..found in a dumpster in Hawaii, sad, and i think the fish loses are near 90%!!!!


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[anthonys51]

Oh my god is that reAl

 

[CONSPICILLUM]

Well... What (by your subjective individual standard) is the minimum recommended tank size for any particular fish?

There either IS or IS NOT a minimum. If there's NO minimum, then a 5g bucket (or 1g fishbowl) should be okay. If there IS a minimum, then it's a matter of SOME objective criteria what that number IS.

So... What is the number? Or do you insist there is no number?

(There aren't many private aquariums equivalent to, or larger than, the systems I'm currently having designed and built; so I'm among the last to preach to about double standards or all-or-nothing ideals in the entire worldwide hobby for those advocating the extreme of "any size is okay" or "no aquariums".)

Define what size tank WOULD be cruel and inhumane for a Hepatus Tang. A Solo cup? Would that be cruel and inhumane? A gallon jug? What size? Either there's a number or not. If so, what number? If not, why?

 

[CONSPICILLUM]

Here ya go...

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[CHSUB]

Here ya go...

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i'm not here to preach, only to gain knowledge and share my experience. a sensible person should be able to determine what is appropriate. if asked however, i would refer to Scott Michael, noted author and reef fish expert, who lists a 100 gallon. Nevertheless, imo, there are many criteria one should consider when housing any fish, tank size only being one. that is why i'm hesitant to recommend any fish without knowing more about the keeper and system. i like this picture, yours seems sarcastic!!!!

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[Jeremiah_Conway]

Finding Dory trailer is out.
Irresponsible lfs are gonna capitalize on this.

 

[CONSPICILLUM]

i'm not here to preach, only to gain knowledge and share my experience.

As is everyone else in this thread, including those of the "tang police". It's often only preaching when one is referring to others.

a sensible person should be able to determine what is appropriate.

"Sensible" and "appropriate" are vagueries, and are what everyone is referring to with their concerns.

if asked however, i would refer to Scott Michael, noted author and reef fish expert, who lists a 100 gallon.

So... There's a number. And it's kinda a biblical concept.

Nevertheless, imo, there are many criteria one should consider when housing any fish, tank size only being one.

Fair enough; and virtually everyone would agree on that. And it includes a number that is within a range as a sensible and appropriate minimum. That's basically the approach of the tang police.

that is why i'm hesitant to recommend any fish without knowing more about the keeper and system.

As is everyone else. And a hepatus tang and yellow tang with other fish in a sub-100g tank is non-sensible and inappropriate, which is what many were saying when scolded.

i like this picture, yours seems sarcastic!!!!

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I like this picture, too.

Sometimes sarcastic humor (like my pic) illustrates a point better than other communication. That picture demonstrates there's a minimum. You have now agreed, and according to you it's 100g (among other factors).

Why can't others demonstrate their valid concerns by similar criteria as larger minimums without being condescended to as "preaching"?

 

[Jeremiah_Conway]

Please do not make your tank a merry-go-round. Get some fish that you can keep long term that will be happy in the size tank you have.

Well said. There are so many fish I would like but I have to accept that I don't have the tank size nor experience to home them yet.

 

[Jeremiah_Conway]

Wow. All that I can say is how rude some of you were. No I don't QT because my LFS do for 6 weeks. And yes they really DO QT and don't just say they do. I will upgrade within a year or two. And probably a 120g.

I would suggest developing a stocking plan after the upgrade or if your set on owning tangs then make plans for the tank you need to do so.

 

[Jeremiah_Conway]

LFS sell these but how many people own tanks large enough for this

 

[Dmorty217]

As is everyone else in this thread, including those of the "tang police". It's often only preaching when one is referring to others.Why can't others demonstrate their valid concerns by similar criteria as larger minimums without being condescended to as "preaching"?

Thats simple, you're only preaching if you disagree with the ideology that a 75g or 90g is too small for tangs, not to mention multiple tangs... The argument that all fish should be left in the ocean is a silly argument that should be left on the PETA forum. All of the fish in the hobby have a larger natural environment in the ocean than in our tanks, not sure anyone is disputing that. Striving to provided the best environment for our fish is the argument here, not the bare minimum :fish1:

 

[fairl80z]

http://reefkeeping.com/issues/2004-09/totm/index.php this tank is only 3 foot goes against everything . And look at its beauty

 

[Dmorty217]

http://reefkeeping.com/issues/2004-09/totm/index.php this tank is only 3 foot goes against everything . And look at its beauty

You had to dig deep for that one going back 12 years... And for the record thats Copps tank and IF you read he actually did upgrade unlike most who only dream about it. Copps is also a master of this hobby so I wouldn't site this as a reason of why it will work, but rather how someone with a TON of knowledge and education on the subject made it work in the SHORT term. There are also only 8 fish total in the tank and 5 of them being small fish. 2 tangs one being a Tomini which will work in a 65g

 

[fairl80z]

You had to dig deep for that one going back 12 years... And for the record thats Copps tank and IF you read he actually did upgrade unlike most who only dream about it. Copps is also a master of this hobby so I wouldn't site this as a reason of why it will work, but rather how someone with a TON of knowledge and education on the subject made it work in the SHORT term.

It goes to show that it is possible

 

[Dmorty217]

It goes to show that it is possible

Yes but this hobby isn't measured in the short term is what your failing acknowledge, also I can have a small tang live in a 10g tank too.... It is possible but not advisable which everyone on here is failing to get... This forum is about sharing experiences and giving GOOD advise not trying to pick out one or two examples of people making it work when no place you buy fish from or anyone else you ask in the hobby will advise

 

[fairl80z]

Yes but this hobby isn't measured in the short term is what your failing acknowledge

If the tank didn't have all the coral, that would be plenty of room for that tang . If you walk a mile, or if you walk two half miles . It still equals a mile

 

[Dmorty217]

We will agree to disagree. Copps is active on this forum, why don't you ask him about the tank in question since you feel so strongly that you're right :thumbsup:

 

[CONSPICILLUM]

Thats simple, you're only preaching if you disagree with the ideology that a 75g or 90g is too small for tangs, not to mention multiple tangs... The argument that all fish should be left in the ocean is a silly argument that should be left on the PETA forum. All of the fish in the hobby have a larger natural environment in the ocean than in our tanks, not sure anyone is disputing that. Striving to provided the best environment for our fish is the argument here, not the bare minimum :fish1:

Exactly. There is a minimum, and the minimum is not ideal or optimum. So below the minumum is not sensible or appropriate.

And the whole "leave the fish in the ocean" extreme ignores the harsh reality of mortality in the wild.

 

[CHSUB]

Exactly. There is a minimum, and the minimum is not ideal or optimum. So below the minumum is not sensible or appropriate.

And the whole "leave the fish in the ocean" extreme ignores the harsh reality of mortality in the wild.

does it???? some here apply human emotions like happiness and sadness to fish, why not freedom???? would it matter how big your house is in North Korea?

 

[CONSPICILLUM]

It goes to show that it is possible

"Possible" is not, and has never been, the point. Ever.

And that tank, as has been explained, is an exception in many ways. Aquarist, term, and content.

This isn't that hard. But hardheads will not be convinced of anything other than their false opinions and seeking for exceptions to blow the bottom out of accepted minimums, etc.