Tang Compatibility!

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That guy has his tangs in a 90 gallon 4 foot tank for 10 years 7 tangs. You say it's not possible. What's the longest you kept a tang alive. Instead of being closed mined and saying he is cruel. I would try to pick his brain to see if I could learn something. But hey I guess we are differebt
 
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That guy has his tangs in a 90 gallon 4 foot tank for 10 years 7 tangs. You say it's not possible. What's the longest you kept a tang alive. Instead of being closed mined and saying he is cruel. I would try to pick his brain to see if I could learn something. But hey I guess we are differebt
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no one said anything was or was not possible.

we're talking in terms of things being a good idea, something being advisable, or good advice.
 
anthonys51 said:
That guy has his tangs in a 90 gallon 4 foot tank for 10 years 7 tangs. You say it's not possible. What's the longest you kept a tang alive. Instead of being closed mined and saying he is cruel. I would try to pick his brain to see if I could learn something. But hey I guess we are differebt
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The question is not if it is possible, because it is. The question is, why would you want to subject a living being to an inadequate quality of life.

Newer research is suggesting that fish ARE sentiment and emotional beings. Would you like to live in a 1000sq ft house with no access to the outside world, or a 12000 sq ft house? Its about QUALITY of life.

Culum Brown, a professor at Macquarie University in Sydney, Australia, has published a review paper in the journal Animal Cognition titled "Fish intelligence, sentience and ethics" that clearly shows that fish are sentient and emotional beings and clearly feel pain in much the same way that humans do. The abstract of this significant essay available only to subscribers reads as follows:

Fish are one of the most highly utilised vertebrate taxa by humans; they are harvested from wild stocks as part of global fishing industries, grown under intensive aquaculture conditions, are the most common pet and are widely used for scientific research. But fish are seldom afforded the same level of compassion or welfare as warm-blooded vertebrates. Part of the problem is the large gap between people's perception of fish intelligence and the scientific reality. This is an important issue because public perception guides government policy. The perception of an animal's intelligence often drives our decision whether or not to include them in our moral circle. From a welfare perspective, most researchers would suggest that if an animal is sentient, then it can most likely suffer and should therefore be offered some form of formal protection. There has been a debate about fish welfare for decades which centres on the question of whether they are sentient or conscious. The implications for affording the same level of protection to fish as other vertebrates are great, not least because of fishing-related industries. Here, I review the current state of knowledge of fish cognition starting with their sensory perception and moving on to cognition. The review reveals that fish perception and cognitive abilities often match or exceed other vertebrates. A review of the evidence for pain perception strongly suggests that fish experience pain in a manner similar to the rest of the vertebrates. Although scientists cannot provide a definitive answer on the level of consciousness for any non-human vertebrate, the extensive evidence of fish behavioural and cognitive sophistication and pain perception suggests that best practice would be to lend fish the same level of protection as any other vertebrate.
 
It's a fish. I am actually having fish for lunch Your point of me living in a room isn't that same. I get to leave the room so I wouldn't care what size house I have. Some people actually live I. Tiny houses under 400 square feet. You fish doesn't leave a house and a 250 or a 75 gallon tank to me isn't that much of a difference
 
so i feel this is quickly moving in to unproductive areas of discussion, so i will end my contributions here with something i posted in another thread:

http://reefcentral.com/forums/showpost.php?p=24405809&postcount=8

So I know a lot of times these things seem like arbitrary decisions, and to an extent they are. This hobby has some unique moral considerations to say the least.

Because of that, I feel that a certain level of self policing and consensus on certain aspects of husbandry is an essential component to helping ensure that this hobby does endure, and endures in such a way that minimizes as many of the bad aspects of it as possible.

That's why these kinds of questions and the advice given in them are important to me.
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It's a fish. I am actually having fish for lunch Your point of me living in a room isn't that same. I get to leave the room so I wouldn't care what size house I have. Some people actually live I. Tiny houses under 400 square feet. You fish doesn't leave a house and a 250 or a 75 gallon tank to me isn't that much of a difference
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This is the last thing I will say, but I think you are being incredibly close minded and selfish.

If you can not put the welfare of an animal in your possession above your own SELFISH desires, you do not deserve to own animals and I don't care if its a fish, a dog, a bird, or a giraffe. All animals deserve a chance at a quality of life.
 
Yes I agree but who are you to choose what consists of good quality of life. Plus don't tell me the experts say. How many people got convicted on dna evidence the experts said was 100 percent accurate just to find out 15 years later oops sorry you served 15 years in jail. If it's working for me and fish are alive and growing who are you to tell me I am wrong who made you god
 
imo, the issue is when some draw a line, example: a 5 foot is ok, but a 4 foot is too small and cruel. if one is a "true" champion of these fish leaving them in the ocean is the only solution. In New Hampshire the motto is "live free or die"; doesn't matter how big your house is, if it is in North Korea.
 
If you want to get technical about it all of our tanks are to small . I m sure in the wild a tang doesn't swim only 8 foot in any direction for that matter even a 3 foot tank is fine for a tang
 
Well said chsub. I am not saying people should advise newbies that tangs may not be the fish for you if you have a 4 foot tank. Give them reason why buy if the end to think your way is the only way is close minded.
 
anthonys51 said:
i love when they say you wouldnt keep a great dane in a tiny apartment. i am like that makes no sense. dogs need exercise. not big houses. you can have a mansion but if you dont exercise your dog with walks and play it doenst mean a thing
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Actually, what doesn't make sense is trying to compare walking a dog outside its indoor environment to fish, which can't be taken for walks outside their tank.

You've proven the point you oppose. Great Danes (large active fish species) shouldn't be kept in small apartments (tanks) instead of large homes (tanks) when they can never go back outside (the ocean).

Everything else is justification for false opinions from poor reasoning.

There's a difference between an aquarist and someone who just keeps fish. And there IS a "bible" for aquarists. It's the aggregate experience of true aquarists who have authoritative experience beyond their own false opinions. Being an American doesn't mean wrong opinions are right, even if they're permitted. And there is a range of guidelines, even if there is not one "way" to do everything.

Tangs (and other fish) need larger tanks and more swimming room than many want to understand or provide for them.
 
Everybody draws these lines somewhere. It's best to set a range of overall minimums and maximums than to think subjective opinion is the "bible".
 
Also if you are so concerned about the fish. I hope you don't buy any that aren't tank raised its estimated at 60 to 70 precent die before even reaching the pet store and another high precent die within first 6 months. I mean there is probably only a 2to 5 precent chance that a fish caught today will live a year let alone 5 years
 
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