Tang in a Nano? Tank pic included

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=8016470#post8016470 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by LiveSock
most urchins will eat grape caleurpa, mine is ravenous for it.

a tuxedo urchin would be a much better idea than a tang, and is likely to have a far greater apetite for macro algae.
Yeesh, I can't believe I didn't think of an urchin. Honestly, that would be the best (and cheapest) way to go. Tuxedos are absolute maniacs when it comes to eating. Just watch out for your coralline when the caulerpa is gone. And...uh...watch out if you have any sps. I had a bad experience with a tuxedo involving the 3-day long chewing-to-death of a porites colony.
 
It is possible to keep a tang in a 55. My dad back in the day kept a yellow tang in his 55 FO tank for years. He also kept an Emperor and Queen Angle for About 5 years each. (At different times of course) The Emperor only died because of a medication given to it that was suppose to treat Lateral Line.
 
when you started this thread you were just asking for the tang police to jump all over you. you could have done it and not told anyone. thats what some people should do when they feel like doing something of questionable intelligence, not saying it wont work, but u get the drift.
 
If its a really tiny small tang to put in your tiny tank then:
1) It wont cause a dent in the caulerpa, since the tang has a finite appetite (or capacity) and the caulerpa has an infinite supply of nutrients (because you are not taking care of the reasons why caulerpa is thriving in your tank)
2) will eat so fast it will outgrow your tank real soon while pooping like crazy and you will be back to where you started.
just my $0.002, try it out though since between you and the tang, ."Edited by Agu, don't try to fool the profanity censor."




ps: Letttuce slugs (L. souverbiei) are known to munch through caulerpa.
 
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I would also try the tuxedo urchin. The only problem I had with mine was his habit of taking loose frags for "piggyback rides" and dropping them off on the wrong side of town. It was cute for a while, but I got sick of retrieving the poor guys when he would deposit them behind the rock structure or perilously close to another coral. It shouldn't be as much of a hassle in a ten though. 'Course, they poop like crazy! That might be bad in a ten. With my limited hobby experience, I won't say anything except that I respect the opinions of the "tang police" as being more than just opinions, due to their undoubted magnitude of experience and information uptake in the area of tang husbandry and general reef tank care, so I agree based on everything that's been thrown on the table so far, that employing a tang of any description would be not only in bad taste but also just not all that effective. No amount of verbal rebuke on this forum will stop you from doing it if you really want to, and it's ultimately your decision, but consider the "tang police's" words, because it's my firm conviction that while a tiny sample of them may have just jumped on the bandwagon to take up a cause for their own reasons, almost all of them express their reservations not for the detriment of others, but for the sake of your success and mine, and the well-being of the tangs in question. It's ultimately your decision my friend, and while I too am guilty of breaking a few "rules" of the trade now and then, I take advice where I can get it and give my more experienced fellow hobbyists the benefit of the doubt when they offer criticizm, regardless of how it may inconvenience me, and if I'm dead set on trying something anyway, it's never going to be at the expense of a hapless organism if I can avoid it. Ignorant mistakes are tolerable and happen to all of us, but if you refuse the warnings of others you take full responsibility for your success or failure, and the animals in your charge pay the ultimate price for your failure. I'm not an animal rights activist, but I do feel responsible for organisms that I assume care of. Since your corals are in peril, it sounds like you have to compromise something, and here's where I WILL give an opinion that may not be well recieved by some. To me corals, while difinetely being organisms, and technically being animals, are in most cases, for all practical purposes, plants. I say that to make this point, it's feasible to preserve a coral colony by fragging it, albiet at the expense of some of the polyps, and I don't feel that guilty about disposing of exess xenia cuttings or neglecting to retrieve a wayward zoanthid that gets killed by light deprivation because there seems to be a considerable difference between a coral polyp and a fish in regards to their "life". That may not make much sense, but let's just say that to me removing every possible coral to a safe place and leaving a few remnants to the mercy of the algae is much more "humane" and ultimately makes more sense financially than risking the life of a fish, because the saved coral frags will regenerate, given enough time, beyond their current size and value but a fish is gone once it's gone. I guess that was too long winded, sorry, and I do hope you will make a decision that you won't regret.
And don't kill the messenger if they bear an unwanted message, as is the case often in this hobby, and don't take insults to personally, they'll hurt worse if you let them than if you don't.
Happy reefing
 
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<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=8009070#post8009070 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by StrongHandsMcGee
Dude, just because he has a 10g setup doesn't mean that he couldn't have put a lot of money into it. Over the course of the 2 years that I had my 10g running I spent at least $1000 on livestock. As it is, I had a problem with a different macro, and I WISH a tang would have solved that. Unfortunately,nothing seems to eat Halymenia algae. So, if I had an algae that tangs would have actually eaten, there would have been a tang in my tank, if only for a short amount of time. As it is, I lost well over half of my corals to the menacing red weed, despite my best efforts to get rid of it myself. So, I would rather have the tang suffer for a while than lose everything. Is it cruel? Yep, but I would much rather have lost a tang than all of those corals. How cruel is it to let all those corals get overgrown and die? They're animals, too y'know. Maybe look at all aspects of this problem before trying to rip the poor guy a new one, huh?

As to what tang to get...definitely a tiny one. If you could find a small Tomini that would probably work out the best, since they max out around 5 or 6 inches. Perfect for a 55.

Miss Week Hands, Please don't call me a Dude!
 
Poor Tang

Poor Tang

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=8014671#post8014671 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by nano10
Nice way to up your post count. Go back and read my first post buddy i didn't ask for your opinion.

Well if you didn't post such a off the wall question about a tang, you wouldn't get all these comments. What do you expect?
You want to put a tang in a 10 gallon tank, to correct the problem, that YOU have failed to correct. Remember, it's YOUR problem, not the tang.

As far as spending $1,000 on that Nano you have pictured, maybe you should have spent your money on other equipment. If you CAN afford the equipment, go out and get it.

And as far as your LFS ordering you a tang for that tank, personally I and everyone else I know in this hobby, wouldn't shop at a LFS that would sell a tang to someone putting it in a 10 gallon tank.

Do some research, don't try to insult those who know better than you!
 
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<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=8021210#post8021210 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by redvipe2010
Miss Week Hands, Please don't call me a Dude!
How mature. I don't seem to recall seeing anything in your post that would signal sexual orientation, so don't try to insult me for saying "dude." It's just a figure of speech, get over it.
 
And since i will be having tangs in my new tank

Even if you do upgrade to a 55 you will only be able to hold one tang, not multiple tangs. And this dosent include sailfins, hippos, purples, or power blues. They get much too large for a 55.

Now if you do put a tang in the 10 gal to clean up the algae, Make sure its not in there for long, maybe about a week or two. Yes it is possible seeing as Fish stores do it all the time, but not for a long amount of time. And if you see signs of stress you may want to stop.
 
I will no longer be putting a tang in my tank. I spent most of the day yesterday cleaning the rock and tank. But i would like to say to all of you people pointing fingers at me and my levels, for the reason the algae was growing every where that all of my levels where normal, since my test kits were rather old i went and got all new test kits and every thing still tested normal, Calerpua grows like a weed and doesn't need high levels to thrive. I rearranged everything and removed as much of the algae as possible. Once my lights turn on and everything opens up I'll post new pictures. Thanks you everyone for your help, whether it helped or not.
 
nano10,

I feel for you. I understand that not all tanks are the same and sometimes it's just seeing that puzzle come together (like Sudoku) before you end up saying wow it was right in front of me the whole time.

Then other times, though no fault of you own, you're made to suffer things ...some ranging from annoying to bad like pest algaes and aiptasia; othertimes heartbreaking evil like cirilinoids or welks from rock you paid an arm and a leg for. Well, I just wanna say that even then all is not lost. That rock will take some work, but as long as you don't drop it and break it into a million pieces, you can make it come back better than before. I'm glad to see you gave cleaning the rock a chance...just hang in there.

BTW, this reminded of something I used to hear as a kid...

There once were to brothers who bought 50 watermelons for a dollar a piece. They loaded up the truck and set off to market them. At the end of the day, after tallying all their money one of the brothers scratched his head and said " I don't understand it, we still have 50 dollars". Hearing this, the other brother replied, "I know, tomorrow we will use a bigger truck"
 
do what i did. have a space in the refuge that has 1 or more turbos, urchin, random other snails, emerald crab, and hermits. i banished all my inverts to my sump and i simply place a algae covered rock into the refuge and overnight the rock is picked clean. i have had a combo of hair algae and another macro algae that was impossible to control and over night the rock was cleaned.

this mostly works well for smaller systems. or if you dont mind snails and such knocking over frags or loose rocks, put them into the display.
 
The best tank you can get... is one that can maintain itself on its own.

If you need something to eat algae, get something to eat algae.

You don't need anyones consent and you KNOW what people were going to say before you posted this thread.
 
I think everyone needs to feel the love. It's all about learning. LFS sell tiny tangs and it's horrible. One I went to recently, had a tang with a very large open lesion. Half it's body size. Still in the tank for sale. Not quarantined, treated, or anything. It's sickening the things people can do to animals. I think these forums are here to help us all out. We should all try to be nice and not get so upset. Some other suggestions given were much more appropriate. Would love to see pictures of the tank cleaned and what it looks like now. I hope it doesn't grow back. =/
 
well i have had my tang in my 15g for 4 months and he is haveing a blast. its a blue tang maybe alittle bit smaller than 1in. i dont see him scared of anything and he is not breathing hevily like they say. plus you should see the tanks that they put them in in all the lfs's in miami wit other fish. maybe a 5g tank if so that.

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and a beutiful pic of my clown in the hatian anem. R.I.P. Condy :(
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sorry pic sux. its my cam phone. mine is out of order right now. :bum:
 
If the tang is smaller than 1in, I would say go for it, but make sure you have a place for it when it grows. BTW I think you dropped a golf ball in your tank :p
 
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