Tank Meltdown :(

Jmar101786

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To be honest I really don't know where to start nor do I know where to postthis. I guess the best place to put it is in the "Reef for Beginners"section as after this issue I feel like a beginner all over again.

I have been in this hobby for over 10 years now and I am one of thosereefers that prides themselves on saying that they learn something new everyday. Today however I haven't learned anything new as I can't explain the reasonwhy things have happened to my tank.

A little about my tank - 125 Gal DT, (2) 400 Watt Metal Halides on an 8 hourcycle, 40 gal long sump with approx. 30 gallons of water in it when running,GSM G4+ Skimmer, 200lbs of rock, shallow sand bed, Temp at a steady 77 degrees.

I guess I will start from Wednesday 7/11... I came home and did a waterchange (30 Gal change...once a week - some may disagree with this practice butit’s been my staple move from the beginning of the hobby 10 yearsago)...everything looked great afterwards as well as on Thursday andFriday....Saturday morning I wake up to go in my tank room and smell an oddodor....I go to look at my tank and find that many of my SPS pieces diedovernight (approx. 8 pieces)....they were not fully melted away but enough tosay that there was no chance of survival for these pieces...I pulled the pieces out of the water and proceeded to test the water...my results were as follows:

Temp 77
Salt 1.024
Alk 8
PH 8.2
Ammonia 0
Nitrate 0
Nitrite 0
Phosphate .5
Calc 420
Mag 1350

At this point I scratched my head...thought maybe it was chemical warfareand changed the filter pad and upped my skimmer flow so that I would pull outsome more skimmate in hopes that any of the death in the water wouldn't hurtanything else.

Last night was a restless night for me as I was pretty bummed out from themishap in my tank and I found myself checking my tank at about 3 AM to find mytank looked like a giant snow globe with these small "pellets"flurrying about.

At this point I took an old net and ripped the net off wrapping the frame incheese cloth frantically trying to scoop of any of the free floating pieces notknowing what they were... after further inspection I realized it was my lobomelting apart and the pieces that were floating about were pieces of the lobo. Atthis point I removed the piece and let bye gones be bye gones.

This morning I woke up to find even more dead/dying/melting away...this timenot just SPS...but LPS as well...it ranged from chalices and acans tofrogspawns and candy canes/trumpets....nothing seemed safe. To put it simply Ifreaked out...head spinning and not knowing what to do...I tested my wateragain and got the following results:

Temp 78
Salt 1.024
Alk 7
PH 8.2
Ammonia 0
Nitrate 0
Nitrite 0
Phosphate 1
Calc 420
Mag 1350

I thought maybe my test kit was off so I brought it to a LFS to have a friend test the water and all the results matched with mine. In addition to thesample from my tank I also brought a sample of my RO water...which tested phosphates at 1. At this point I bought carbon and new RODI cartridges as minewere exhausted.

I came home and did a 40 gal water change with new clean water, since then Ihave lost a significant amount of corals... some of which I fear I will never be able to replace...

Now I know some of the questions that might rise up are if I changed anything, added anything, tested for copper or other metals, if I tested for stray electricity.... the answer tothese questions are No across the board....nothing has been added, nothing haschanged...this was all at random or so it seemed....no chemicals enter thisroom either.

I am at a loss right now as I have no idea what caused this or how to stop the death...the death toll at the moment is 31 pieces...more than half the coral in my tank.

If anyone has any ideas it would be greatly appreciated...there are no pestsin tank and none of the fish are affected by this with the exception of acopperband butterfly that has stopped eating...it may be unrelated however I am not sure at this point.

Side notes :

- The heater is approx 6 months old as i change them at the start of the new year
- The pump is only about a year old
- I dose brightwell Alk, Calc, Mag however these are the same bottles ive used for the past month so i know it's not old stock or anything like that.

- This room is a locked down room...no chemicals or cleaning supplies... no paints or stains...nothing harmful to the tank in that fashion




As of right now this is the list of dead coral

Blue Mille
Tyree Setosa
Forest Fire Digitata
Orange Digitata
Purple Stylophora
Pink Stylophora
Rainbow Stylophora
Green Stylophora
Pink Jade
Undata Monti
Lantana Monti
Rainbow Monti
Sunset Monti
Chilli Pepper Monti
Superman Monti
Jedi Mind Trick Monti
Green Birdsnest
ORA Hyacinth Birdsnest
Ponape Birdsnest
Green Cap
Red Cap
Cyphastrea
Candy Cane
Maze Brain
Rainbow Frogspawn
Lobophylia
Hollywood Stunner Chalice
Soccer Mom Chalice
Pink Panther Chalice
Green Wall Hammer
Blue Branching Hammer
 
Check your tank for stray electricity and check you equipment very carefully. I has a pump that had some major issues and ended up melting down. Also since you just changed your water you salt could have some issues that you cant test for.
 
- I dose brightwell Alk, Calc, Mag however these are the same bottles ive used for the past month so i know it's not old stock or anything like that.

Really sorry to hear about your losses.

Have you considered contacting your suppliment manufacture to see if the perhaps produced a bad batch of something? Only saying that because you mentioned the bottles being newer...

I hope you find a solution soon enough.
 
So Sorry!
Reefers worst mightmare!

How has your CUC reacted?

I suspect a faulty piece of equipment has leaked something nasty,
that started armagedon.

Water changes and carbon, as you are doing!

Best of luck.
 
I find it interesting that with such major die off your ammonia is zero.

Is it possible you are working with a bad batch of salt? I fought that last year as I was working off a bad pallet of salt - the fish and clams were ok but corals died with in 24 hours of going in the tank.
 
If you were using Kent GAC, that may be the answer.

But .5 phosphate seems pretty high? By my calculation, that's about 16 times more than the recommended maximum level.

http://www.reefkeeping.com/issues/2004-05/rhf/index.php

Could be that the elevated phosphate killed the SPS which in turn increased phosphates to 32 times the max level (i.e., 1.0) and in turn killed the remaining coral.

But I'm sure you don't need someone Monday-morning QBing right now. Hang in there.
 
Check your tank for stray electricity and check you equipment very carefully. I has a pump that had some major issues and ended up melting down. Also since you just changed your water you salt could have some issues that you cant test for.

I tested all pumps and equipment by placing them in buckets with a volt meter


I also tested the tank itself for any stray electric


all came back with no electric current
 
Really sorry to hear about your losses.

Have you considered contacting your suppliment manufacture to see if the perhaps produced a bad batch of something? Only saying that because you mentioned the bottles being newer...

I hope you find a solution soon enough.


I did contact Brightwell and they had said that nobody has noticed any changes

as i've had these for a while i would think it wasn't them

Thanks though
 
I find it interesting that with such major die off your ammonia is zero.

Is it possible you are working with a bad batch of salt? I fought that last year as I was working off a bad pallet of salt - the fish and clams were ok but corals died with in 24 hours of going in the tank.


I suppose it is a possibility...but i am actually in my 3rd or 4th water change in the batch and all was well up until this weekend

things were thriving...colors were fantastic
 
If you were using Kent GAC, that may be the answer.

But .5 phosphate seems pretty high? By my calculation, that's about 16 times more than the recommended maximum level.

http://www.reefkeeping.com/issues/2004-05/rhf/index.php

Could be that the elevated phosphate killed the SPS which in turn increased phosphates to 32 times the max level (i.e., 1.0) and in turn killed the remaining coral.

But I'm sure you don't need someone Monday-morning QBing right now. Hang in there.

Nope...wasn't using Kent GAC

yes...i agree the phosphate reading was high...but this was the first time it was ever this high...i test pretty much twice a week


all other tests were confirmed by 2 seperate stores and myself...so 3 tests of the same water.
 
I've found that neglect is sneaky. I got off my routine and my alk crashed. Everything looked great until it didn't, all my millies started RTN and lps receded at once. Phosphate may have just gotten to 'that' point and the toxicity for the rtn'ing corals caused a cascading effect over the last couple days. Did you use a TDS meter to check RODI water? Thats the only thing I can think of bud, its totally sucks!
 
I've found that neglect is sneaky. I got off my routine and my alk crashed. Everything looked great until it didn't, all my millies started RTN and lps receded at once. Phosphate may have just gotten to 'that' point and the toxicity for the rtn'ing corals caused a cascading effect over the last couple days. Did you use a TDS meter to check RODI water? Thats the only thing I can think of bud, its totally sucks!

I am pretty methodical when it comes to my tank...i make sure everything is checked on a regular basis...water changes are done every sunday like clockwork...i try and keep everything consistant...the only thing i really slack off on from time to time is feeding...i usually feed two times a day...sometimes i only do it once

Yes i am using a tds meter...everything is checking out now...when my cartridges were exhausted thats when the tds read differently


Yeah it definitely does suck...and i am one of those hobbyist that don't have an bottomless pocket unfortunately
 
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