Tank of the Month - March 2007

thanx for those links, John.
Matt- My current aquarium is 1/2 (glass) barebottom and 1/2 SSB.
I stir. My critters stir.
With a DSB you don't want to stir. With a BB you don't need to stir.
This is John's thread and I don't want to hijack it, (so I won't post here again on the subject), but I will briefly say that SSB, DSB and BB aquariums can all "work", but each have different requirements and limitations.
 
Hey Dennis - sorry buddy, I missed your post about the barebottom issue. I'd be honest, I definitely would not go for the egg crate on the bottom - wouldn't like the look of it.

It'll either be starboard (which I doubt), bare glass (which I'm I'm nervous of) or shallow sand bed (which I'm worried will become a shallow sand storm).

Cheers,

Matt
 
You Right Garry. Sorry for hi-jakcing John. Enough said on the BB / DSB / SSB - forgot its a TOTM thread for a min - the sand debate can rage on elsewhere ;-)

Suffice to say your tank has made me re-think a few things - so thanks for that, and well done again.

Regards,

Matt
 
No worries Matt-

You might consider a VERY shallow SB with larger, heavier grained substrate which will hold better in flow and be easily stirred/vacuumed.

One of the most amazing reefs I've ever seen can be found here--this fellow removes/replaces his sandbed continuously with water changes.

www.oregonreef.com

His sand removal/cleaning routine can be found under "Feeding and Maintenance"

John
 
Drtango, Awsome tank man. 180 gallons much be huge. I loved your SPS and large Imp. Angel you have. Suprise you keep the angel though.

Did you ever have problem about your angels nibbling on your corals?
Like does it get to the point to wipe out your SPS colonies?
Or it only nibble a small amount just to keep the sps from over growing?
What is this?
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NanoCube-boy-

An occasional nibble, nothing major. I keep everybody well fed which I think helps.

The gadget in question is an OceansMotions wavemaking device, a rotating drum that sends flow through various ports. Read more here...

www.oceansmotions.com

John
 
I have seen the egg crate system used in ways that it did not distract from the beauty of the tank. Mid sized peices of base rock and live rock were completly covering the egg crates and they were completly out of site.

Under the egg crate a UG filter was also installed with a maxijet pump pulling any accumiatated debrie out from under the egg crate and into the filteration system loop.

Now form personal experience I prefer the Deep To Middle dept sand bases. 4" to 6" of fine sand has never given me an issue provided you do keep an antropd population to keep the sand base stirred up.

Dennis



<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9557826#post9557826 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by mattsilvester
Hey Dennis - sorry buddy, I missed your post about the barebottom issue. I'd be honest, I definitely would not go for the egg crate on the bottom - wouldn't like the look of it.

It'll either be starboard (which I doubt), bare glass (which I'm I'm nervous of) or shallow sand bed (which I'm worried will become a shallow sand storm).

Cheers,

Matt
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9559231#post9559231 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by drtango
No worries Matt-

You might consider a VERY shallow SB with larger, heavier grained substrate which will hold better in flow and be easily stirred/vacuumed.

One of the most amazing reefs I've ever seen can be found here--this fellow removes/replaces his sandbed continuously with water changes.

www.oregonreef.com

His sand removal/cleaning routine can be found under "Feeding and Maintenance"

John

That's a pretty cool site!!
 
I am currently working on a canopy for a 120 gal tank. Would it be possible to see more detailed photos of the design. Anything would help. Thanks
 
Well I'm not John but if you don't mind my input perhaps I can shead a little light here.

A good working system is a matter of balance. On one end of the spectrum you have your deep sand bed, live rock, refugium, skimmer and other filterating systems then on the other end of the spectrum you have your load of live stock especialy corals and fish.

For a healthy system you need to keep both ends of the spectrum equally balanced. So if you increase the fish load you will need to increase something on the filteration side.

Now the filteration side is another balanced system in itself. Each system performs more than one function in the removal of the impurities of the water. Some systems are better at removing the Nitrogen ions, others the Phosphates, Proteins etc. However most filter types have the ability to filter out a small amount of one thing and a large amount of something else. Therefore a single filter type could work however it would be very ineffecient.

Not getting into particulars lets say we haqve three tyes of filter I, II, and III. We are removing 3 undesirables namely A, B and C. For each of these we need to remove 200 parts. So we make a chart on the combination

I II III Total
A 10 40 150 200
B 20 170 10 200
C 100 30 20 200

Now say we reduce the size of Filter II in half we get an imbalance.

I II III Total
A 10 20 150 180
B 20 65 10 95
C 100 15 20 185

Now we have created an imbalance which we need to compensate with anoither filter and in this case we will Filter 1 and make it 5.25 times as large as is was prior. The results now will be.

I II III Total
A 52.5 20 150 222.5
B 105 65 10 200
C 525 15 20 560

We are now getting enough filteration however the size and cost of Filter I has increased about 5.25 times and we have more filteration capabilities of impurity C then we realy need.

So hopefully you understand where I look at this as a balance issue. But also keep in mind that dependent upon your load compared to the next persons load your filtering needs will vary. Therefore what might work for John might be completly different than what works for Charlie.

Dennis






<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9557385#post9557385 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by mattsilvester
John,

Do you think your methodology could be applied to a tank with a shallow sand bed? Apart from the sand, my system is going to be pretty simlar to yours:

Skimmer - Deltec 1060s (rated for 530 gals)
1000 gals/hr going through the sump (on a 250 gal system) - not a big sump like yours though.
4 or 5 Tunze streams in the display giving a total of 40-50 tank volumes/hr circulation
I am also rigging up an automatic water chage system, and plan on doing a 5% water change weekly.
I also plan on having a similar stocking plan to yours, and plan on feeding generously.

Is the concept of having a shallow sand in total oposition to your methedology?

Thanks

Matt
 
Skipper congrat on yout Tank of the month, very beautiful tank and great job.

I notice that you are running two pumps in series, maybe some one has asked this question already, but after scanning through the thread I didnt see any. My question is why did you decided to use two pumps inseries beside the redundancy, and does it increase flows over all ? TIA
 
Generally speaking, running two pumps in series will double the pressure - running them in parallel will double their flow rate...... assuming they are identicle pumps of course, and assuming they are at zero head.

Dunno if this is the reason here or not........
 
Darn sorry I missspelled identical :D :D am hoping that since I have my sump in the garage, running two pumps in series will help with the head loss
 
I'm running two pumps in series for two reasons--increased head pressure to run the eductors upstairs--and redundancy. If there's a brief power outage and I'm not home, the chances of both pumps not starting is much less than one or the other freezing. Each alone has enough pressure to get water, and thus heat, upstairs.

Just heard a talk by Sanjay Joshi on system design as it relates to probability of failure, and he actually brought up the fact that two smaller pumps are probably better than one big one, particularly for sump return. If your closed loop fails, no big deal, but if you cant get water back from the sump, where most of us keep heaters, you could have big problems in a small amount of time.

Just my 2 cents

John
 
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